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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

I would assume it's cheaper for the manufacturers to include AC as standard. 1. More volume equals lower per unit cost. 2. The costs involved for changing between non- AC and AC along with the costs to design both, maybe minimal, but still. Who wants a car without AC unless it has vent Windows as mentioned. And even then , it's not like it's cutting edge technology
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Some of my customers have sick money. His fancy imported European car had the European radio frequencies in the homelink. Took it to the dealer to have the american version installed. Cost him over 1k because he just couldn't use a big ugly remote control.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used.


Loaned a friend with a Maita my Jetta for a few days. Jetta had A/C, Miata did not.
The magical difference between a car with A/C, and a car without A/C is how well the defroster works on cars with A/C.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used.

Here in Indiana if I don't have the heat on, then the AC is on. Maintenance? Never done any on the AC.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Why do you need a new car? You still have your Ghia. Easy to work on. Cheap and plentiful parts. Join the elite fraternity of insane idiots who daily drive 50/60/70 year-old technology.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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Why do you need a new car? You still have your Ghia. Easy to work on. Cheap and plentiful parts. Join the elite fraternity of insane idiots who daily drive 50/60/70 year-old technology.

Very true, once it's rolling again maybe I can just use it while I repair the monte when it breaks, repairs are usually pretty quick and easy on the ghia
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

I "have" to have this $1200 washing machine because it's WiFi connected and i can control it from a app on my $1000 iPhone X.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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I "have" to have this $1200 washing machine because it's WiFi connected and i can control it from a app on my $1000 iPhone X.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

WiFi... Great, now it'll get hacked and your clothes won't be washed right
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Simply because society now can't be 'disconnected' or 'inconvienced' in any way shape or form.

There are cheap cars, but people don't like them. Not enough power, too small, not enough gadgets, etc.

A few examples of decent, cheap cars. Several of which are on the chopping block to stop being sold in the USA because everybody wants some gigantic SUV that could be mounted with a 50 cal chain gun and used in a warzone.

https://www.mitsubishicars.com/mirage/2018 (13k)
https://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/ (14k)
http://www.chevrolet.com/cars/spark-city-car (13k)
https://www.toyota.com/yaris/ (15k)
http://shop.honda.com/civics.aspx (18K)
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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WiFi... Great, now it'll get hacked and your clothes won't be washed right


I think it was a Lexus commercial that I saw, the lady said "Alexa start the car" and it did.

Great....now the burglar doesn't even have to find your keys. Just ask Alexa to start the car, and if it's too hot or cold he can even get the heat or A/C going.

Can't be having the gentleman robbing my house get into my non-climate controlled car to getaway with all my stuff Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Modern cars are designed aerodynamically to be low drag with windows closed. But with a window open, these cars have a deafening pulsating boom at freeway speeds, rendering them unusable without A/C. I've seen this in a dozen new cars. I think it goes hand-in-hand with the aerodynamics of new car design. This ends up making A/C mandatory for driver comfort and safety.

Best value is a used car, maybe a certified used car from a dealer, which have new car-like warranties.

These new "compact SUVs" are practical, but heaven forbid they get called "station wagons" which they truly ARE now... built on car chassis.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used.



IF you want your A/C to last you will want to turn your A/C on at least once a week for at least ten minutes to circulate Freon and refrigerant lubricant. Car or house A/C it doesn't matter. By doing this you will have kept your seals, POA valve, and compressor lubricated. Do this all year long especially in winter.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.

Perhaps using them more often would help, most often they just lose their coolant charge. I suspect it happens in the winter when the cold shrinks the seals.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.

Perhaps using them more often would help, most often they just lose their coolant charge. I suspect it happens in the winter when the cold shrinks the seals.



That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this.


In the winter, you could run it on the DEF setting. I think that accomplishes the same thing (i.e. uses the AC).
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this.


In the winter, you could run it on the DEF setting. I think that accomplishes the same thing (i.e. uses the AC).


Correct, Factory A/C is on when in the defrost setting. This is done because when the A/C is on it dehumidifies the air or takes the moisture out of the air and off your windows.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.


Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.
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