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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1647 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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I would assume it's cheaper for the manufacturers to include AC as standard. 1. More volume equals lower per unit cost. 2. The costs involved for changing between non- AC and AC along with the costs to design both, maybe minimal, but still. Who wants a car without AC unless it has vent Windows as mentioned. And even then , it's not like it's cutting edge technology _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:38 am Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used. |
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2495 Location: high ridge, mo
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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Some of my customers have sick money. His fancy imported European car had the European radio frequencies in the homelink. Took it to the dealer to have the american version installed. Cost him over 1k because he just couldn't use a big ugly remote control. _________________ My cut in half and rebuild thread
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ach60 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2001 Posts: 4139 Location: Santa Maria
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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oprn wrote: |
My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used. |
Loaned a friend with a Maita my Jetta for a few days. Jetta had A/C, Miata did not.
The magical difference between a car with A/C, and a car without A/C is how well the defroster works on cars with A/C. _________________ Good Luck
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1647 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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oprn wrote: |
My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used. |
Here in Indiana if I don't have the heat on, then the AC is on. Maintenance? Never done any on the AC. _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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awreed Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 1268 Location: Kirkland, WA
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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Why do you need a new car? You still have your Ghia. Easy to work on. Cheap and plentiful parts. Join the elite fraternity of insane idiots who daily drive 50/60/70 year-old technology. |
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1647 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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awreed wrote: |
Why do you need a new car? You still have your Ghia. Easy to work on. Cheap and plentiful parts. Join the elite fraternity of insane idiots who daily drive 50/60/70 year-old technology. |
Very true, once it's rolling again maybe I can just use it while I repair the monte when it breaks, repairs are usually pretty quick and easy on the ghia _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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I "have" to have this $1200 washing machine because it's WiFi connected and i can control it from a app on my $1000 iPhone X.
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12468
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:23 am Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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Glenn wrote: |
I "have" to have this $1200 washing machine because it's WiFi connected and i can control it from a app on my $1000 iPhone X.
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Man that’s a first world problem |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69824 Location: Phoenix Metro
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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WiFi... Great, now it'll get hacked and your clothes won't be washed right |
I think it was a Lexus commercial that I saw, the lady said "Alexa start the car" and it did.
Great....now the burglar doesn't even have to find your keys. Just ask Alexa to start the car, and if it's too hot or cold he can even get the heat or A/C going.
Can't be having the gentleman robbing my house get into my non-climate controlled car to getaway with all my stuff _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34013 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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Modern cars are designed aerodynamically to be low drag with windows closed. But with a window open, these cars have a deafening pulsating boom at freeway speeds, rendering them unusable without A/C. I've seen this in a dozen new cars. I think it goes hand-in-hand with the aerodynamics of new car design. This ends up making A/C mandatory for driver comfort and safety.
Best value is a used car, maybe a certified used car from a dealer, which have new car-like warranties.
These new "compact SUVs" are practical, but heaven forbid they get called "station wagons" which they truly ARE now... built on car chassis. |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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oprn wrote: |
My AC is only used for maybe 2 weeks out of a full year and then only in the early to mid afternoon. Mornings are generally not warm enough. The down side is the cost of maintenance and mileage loss for those few days that it is used. |
IF you want your A/C to last you will want to turn your A/C on at least once a week for at least ten minutes to circulate Freon and refrigerant lubricant. Car or house A/C it doesn't matter. By doing this you will have kept your seals, POA valve, and compressor lubricated. Do this all year long especially in winter. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.
Perhaps using them more often would help, most often they just lose their coolant charge. I suspect it happens in the winter when the cold shrinks the seals. |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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... _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
Wanted: Art Collins VW (Savannah, Georgia) items - license plate surrounds and other items. Also ivory "AM", "FM" and "SW" buttons for a US Blaupunkt Frankfurt.
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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oprn wrote: |
We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.
Perhaps using them more often would help, most often they just lose their coolant charge. I suspect it happens in the winter when the cold shrinks the seals. |
That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this. |
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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Helfen wrote: |
That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this. |
In the winter, you could run it on the DEF setting. I think that accomplishes the same thing (i.e. uses the AC). _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
Helfen wrote: |
That's why you run the A/C once a week for a few minutes to keep the seals and the compressor lubricated no matter what time of year. Some factory owners manuals say to do this. |
In the winter, you could run it on the DEF setting. I think that accomplishes the same thing (i.e. uses the AC). |
Correct, Factory A/C is on when in the defrost setting. This is done because when the A/C is on it dehumidifies the air or takes the moisture out of the air and off your windows. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69824 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? |
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oprn wrote: |
We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year. |
Did you put in too many digits?
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