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monomanx
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 Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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hello everyone..
I am working on a 1957 Type 1 pan and the spring plate bushings were shot. I purchased new ones from West Coast Metric and am attempting to install.
I can get them on the arm but once installed, I cannot get the bushing to insert into the torsion housing and I cannot get the torsion cap to slip down on the outer bushing. These are the correct parts..not the later lugged style.
I was using Talcum powder as a lubricant but I still cannot get the cap even remotely close enough to get bolts on there to cinch the cap down.
are the WCM parts oversize (they are supposedly made in Germany) or am I missing something else?
What have others done to install these ?
Thanks!
Chris
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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I use silicon grease on the rubber bushings and long bolts to start with. I get the long bolts cranked down and then one at a time remove them and replace with the original bolts.
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monomanx
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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| Thanks Jim...I will see if I have long enough bolts...it seemed like it could deform the plate but will try it out. |
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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| monomanx wrote: |
| Thanks Jim...I will see if I have long enough bolts...it seemed like it could deform the plate but will try it out. |
Thats why you need the silicon grease. So they slip into place.
Silicon sealant that you buy from Home Depot is not the same as the silicon grease. You can purchase the grease from Amazon. Heres the link.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016E5E59G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Ovally
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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Wait!Wait!
When I look at your photo, you have the wrong rubber bushings for a 1957.
The bushings you have are the outer bushings for 1969 on with part number 111 511 245E.
You need 4 bushings 111 511 245A.
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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Nice catch. For some reason I did not notice the cut out lip on the bushing, till you made me do a double take!
The earlier ones did not have that cut in them!
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Ovally
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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The earlier ones did not have that cut in them!
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Yes Jim, not only that cut in them but they also differ in inner and outer diameter.
See photo :
Upper=111 511 245E (outers 1969 on)
Lower=111 511 245A (inner and outer through 1959)
Chris needs 4 rubber bushings 111 511 245A for his 1957.
Do not attempt to use the later rubber bushings.It is impossible to mount your torsion arm covers and if you try this they will deform.
Regards, Armand
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:30 am Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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The earlier ones did not have that cut in them!
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Yes Jim, not only that cut in them but they also differ in inner and outer diameter.
Upper=111 511 245E (outers 1969 on)
Lower=111 511 245A (inner and outer through 1959)
Chris needs 4 rubber bushings 111 511 245A for his 1957.
Do not attempt to use the later rubber bushings.It is impossible to mount your torsion arm covers and if you try this they will deform.
Regards, Armand |
Hey Armand, thanks for that comparison! I had never stacked the early and later ones up before. Pretty cool to be able to see the difference in size.
Man, you are a wealth of information! Glad you share that super power with us average Joes! Thank you!
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monomanx
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:44 am Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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All,
Thanks for the input. For some reason I was not receiving notifications that you all had responded. I only had the old versions to compare to. They were so noodled out there was no way to know what was the correct OD and ID. I will have to order the 111245 511As.
I ended up machining an internal mandrel and chucking the bushings up in my lathe. While running the lathe, I used a right angle grinder with a sanding disk and reduced the OD to be a tight fit in the bushing retainer/cap. It did work...and I was able to install. The pan is still on a cart and not all set up so new bushings will be ordered and reinstalled.
Thanks again! Awesome responses by everyone |
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Kjell Roar
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:46 am Post subject: Re: 1957 rear spring arm bushings |
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Here is a picture from when I changed bushings.
Press in one by one, not both at the same time.
I learned that the hard way....
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