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Ride-Fly
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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Took out all the glass (except door windows) during the repaint and re-installing with new rubber from GW. I did the front windshield by myself in about 30mins. Easy peazy! The back window is another story!! Holy f#@$stick, its near impossible to do this solo from what I can tell. It’s definitely a two person job. I haven’t gotten it done yet, but it seems that once the top or bottom seal is over the edge of the window frame, you need to have someone on the inside pushing that part which was just done, out with about 20-30 lbs of force so the other person outside can try to push the opposite seal close enough to the lip so that when the person inside pulls the cord, the rubber lip is close enough to the window frame edge to grab on. Don’t know if you can vicualize it, but that’s the only way I see it fitting.
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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It's highly recommended to have someone pushing on the outside of the window while you're pulling on the cord. You got lucky with the front windshield by doing it alone. I use silicone spray to lube up the seal lips, but it can make a mess--soapy water is also an option.
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IdahoDoug
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Glad for the heads up. I had a deal with a local glass guy to come do a few windshields an the vanagon hatch. He missed the appointment and never called. So I’ve been thinking of doing the vanagon myself. Not anymore!!
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16CVs 
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Good luck, those things kick my ass. There is no comparison with the back to the fr.ont. What was wrong with the old seal?
I get them in as far as I can and then beat them in with a rubber mallet or with my flat hand. Beat it and then go inside and pull the lip over inch by inch.
Once in a while with different vendors seals they fall in, but that is rare.
Stacy
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Ride-Fly
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Good luck, those things kick my ass. There is no comparison with the back to the fr.ont. What was wrong with the old seal?
I get them in as far as I can and then beat them in with a rubber mallet or with my flat hand. Beat it and then go inside and pull the lip over inch by inch.
Once in a while with different vendors seals they fall in, but that is rare.
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I haven’t beat on them with a rubber mallet but I’m close smashing the heck out of the rear window and go open air in the back!!  . Argghhh so frustrating!!
I replaced the seals because they were old. Plus I just wanted to cut it out rather try to save them, mainly because it was easier. Haha.
The 4 side windows were also pretty easy. Had my wife help, but didn’t really need two people to do it. One of the things I did to help was spray the seal and the window frame liberally with soapy water.
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Alaskaberrys
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Wish I had some tips but I don’t, only have this to look forward to. So PLEASE POST the winning technique!
Am guessing the open air no window let nature run ruffle your drapes idea will seem pretty nifty for about a beer or two.... 
Persevere! And good luck!
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Ride-Fly
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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| Alaskaberrys wrote: |
Wish I had some tips but I don’t, only have this to look forward to. So PLEASE POST the winning technique!
Am guessing the open air no window let nature run ruffle your drapes idea will seem pretty nifty for about a beer or two....
Persevere! And good luck! |
Yep, I’ve attempted the rear window about 3 times solo and 3 times with my wife’s assistance. Got really close twice. I think I might have figured out the technique but might need someone with a bit more muscle. I’ll let you know if I’m able to get it in. Otherwise, I’ll be taking it to Safelite!!! |
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Ride-Fly
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| It's highly recommended to have someone pushing on the outside of the window while you're pulling on the cord. You got lucky with the front windshield by doing it alone. I use silicone spray to lube up the seal lips, but it can make a mess--soapy water is also an option. |
I wonder if silicone would help over the soapy water. At this point I’ll try anything... |
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RoryGirl
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Boo...I'm about to do this to take care of some rust. Front was cake by myself.
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16CVs
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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I personally do not like to use Silicone. If Glass cleaner will not do it I use WD40. Remember that before pulling the rope that the rubber fkange needs to be right up against the Pinchweld and all the rope is doing is pulling the lip over.
Back the van up against a wall, wipe the rubber and the body down with a wet wipe of WD40 and set the window in the opening and brace someone up against the wall Firmly pushing the window in place and following the rope with their open palms as you pull the rope. Once in a while stop nad give the glass a good open handed slap. You will not break the glass, just keep slapping it in as you pull the rubber over the Pinchweld, use some type of tool to pull the lip over as you pull the rope you need some other way to get it in.
Firm pressure and persistence. If you can't get, screw Safelite their guys only do glue in stuff and the old guys are gone. Look on Craigslist or go a Local Body Shop they'll have a real glass guy that can handle that job.
If you were closer I'd come and do it.,
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Ride-Fly
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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| 16CVs wrote: |
I personally do not like to use Silicone. If Glass cleaner will not do it I use WD40. Remember that before pulling the rope that the rubber fkange needs to be right up against the Pinchweld and all the rope is doing is pulling the lip over.
Back the van up against a wall, wipe the rubber and the body down with a wet wipe of WD40 and set the window in the opening and brace someone up against the wall Firmly pushing the window in place and following the rope with their open palms as you pull the rope. Once in a while stop nad give the glass a good open handed slap. You will not break the glass, just keep slapping it in as you pull the rubber over the Pinchweld, use some type of tool to pull the lip over as you pull the rope you need some other way to get it in.
Firm pressure and persistence. If you can't get, screw Safelite their guys only do glue in stuff and the old guys are gone. Look on Craigslist or go a Local Body Shop they'll have a real glass guy that can handle that job.
If you were closer I'd come and do it.,
Stacy |
Good stuff Stacy, especially the tip on Safelite!! I’ll look for a real window shop if I give up. Thanks!! |
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 1:12 am Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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| The last one that I set I seated the vertical edges first then worked the top/bottom. That way it seemed to pull itself in rather than push itself back out. |
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rfoubi
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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Yep, it sucks! I did this a month or two ago, took probably 2 hours. No special tricks other than use the rope, have someone on the inside. I found getting one side in, then having my wife on the inside using a carpenters pencil (or chopstick or something like that) to kind of pre-flip the seal over before pulling the rope. and lots and lots of rubber mallet banging from the outside. I was sure it would shatter, but it didnt. Some luck getting one side in, then hammering end on from the other side to push it in further. I tried to kind of flex the middle of the glass outwards as well when pushing it in the corners. it was hard work for sure, my abs hurt the next couple days
Basically persistence and yeah its bloody frustrating and hard but if we can do it so can you! |
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:22 am Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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paint can openers are very handy for working the glass rubber..
both to pop it out and pull it in..
sturdy handle/shaft and a light turn on the end.
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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What is the best way to remove old and keep the seal? I will be looking at some rust repair this summer. As of now I just want to pull out the bottom passenger corner to look at the rust. If I could just pop that out and then take care of the rust Id be good. If I dont have to remove the whole thing that would be best as many issues on here.
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:24 am Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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What is the best way to remove old and keep the seal? I will be looking at some rust repair this summer. As of now I just want to pull out the bottom passenger corner to look at the rust. If I could just pop that out and then take care of the rust Id be good. If I dont have to remove the whole thing that would be best as many issues on here.
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The side windows can be pushed out with slow, slteady force, like if someone were to be using their feet along the edges of the seal. Just be sure to have someone on the outside to catch the window, lest they fall to the ground and then you have to buy new windows. I recommend using suction cup holders on the outside whenever dealing with replacing windows. I’ve caught the windows a few times by the handle of the suction cup holders when they unexpectedly popped out. When I cut out my old seals, I rigged the holders with rope so that if it popped out accidentally it wouldn’t crash to the ground.
Here is a pic.
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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OP - I dont have any advice for your rear hatch window sorry...
...but this topic is perfect timing for I want to get my windows tinted. When you push out the window with your feet, does the window seal come out with it? I recall you stated you cut the window seal, so I am figuring you remoed the seal as much as you could and then pushed. Can you provide more insight?
I saw on you tube a recommendation to use a weed-whacker cord for the reinstall instead of a rope...anyone try this?
looking for other tips for removing the side sliders and the rear passenger side windows. I saw a post indicating using a spreader to get the sliders out...
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What is the best way to remove old and keep the seal? I will be looking at some rust repair this summer. As of now I just want to pull out the bottom passenger corner to look at the rust. If I could just pop that out and then take care of the rust Id be good. If I dont have to remove the whole thing that would be best as many issues on here.
Thanks
Pat |
The side windows can be pushed out with slow, slteady force, like if someone were to be using their feet along the edges of the seal. Just be sure to have someone on the outside to catch the window, lest they fall to the ground and then you have to buy new windows. I recommend using suction cup holders on the outside whenever dealing with replacing windows. I’ve caught the windows a few times by the handle of the suction cup holders when they unexpectedly popped out. When I cut out my old seals, I rigged the holders with rope so that if it popped out accidentally it wouldn’t crash to the ground.
Here is a pic.
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: @#$&!!!! Rear hatch window re-install is a PAIN-IN-THE-@$$!!!! |
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| When you push out the window with your feet, does the window seal come out with it? |
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