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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

I want to cut an access hole over my 66 Beetle 1600 engine upper left mounting bolt and starter. Tomorrow I will look a 73 Beetle to cut out an over lapping cover plate. Is the metal in this area the same shape in 66 and 73?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

Thanks! Will the engine deck lid fit my 66. I like the additional lovers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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I want to cut an access hole over my 66 Beetle 1600 engine upper left mounting bolt and starter.

Why bother???? Just not worth it either !


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Will the engine deck lid fit my 66. I like the additional louvers.

No, 67-on engine lid will not fit 1966.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

The upper left engine bolt is a nightmare to install and remove. Wench is limited to 1/8 of a turn and a socket will not fit. A rusty bolt may take hours to remove. I'm removing the engine in a 73 parked on the dirt and have an opportunity to cut out a section under the rear window. The next inhabitants in the 73 will be chickens, yes it's going to be a Beetle chicken coop. Not my design, but the chickens don't give a cluck.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

Can you look for an Allen head bolt or the proper bolt with a 15 mm head .
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.

Please don't hack the car.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification.


Agree with all maintenance operation except for oil service: how can a hole in the suggested place help into oil servicing?

Just curious
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:20 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

Probably for the transaxle. It's got to be easier to fill from the top than the bottom.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.

Please don't hack the car.


I just use long extensions and a socket from underneath, for me the trick is to move farther forward than one thinks and reach back, under 5 minutes.

When I replaced the transmission on my 1970 in April, I also used an allen bolt in this location, takes an 8mm allen socket now; got the allen bolt at Ace Hardware down the street. This is especially helpful if one has a late 1960s-1970 transmission that has the ridge for a D-headed bolt (for use with pre-1971 engine cases).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple.


Turn around, sit/lean on the fender, drop your hand/arm through the gap in the corner between the engine lid engine bay & work by Braille-0-vision, you can't see it anyway. You're not trying to bend your arm against the elbow & you're not doubled over.


To the OP, if the car has the proper D-bolt at the starter then the access hole isn't going to do anything for you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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Zundfolge1432 wrote:
The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification.


Agree with all maintenance operation except for oil service: how can a hole in the suggested place help into oil servicing?

Just curious


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Probably for the transaxle. It's got to be easier to fill from the top than the bottom.


Yes, transmission oil. (fluid)
The fill hole on the super early transmissions was from the top instead of the side.

Big fill nut on the lower right of this transmission case
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple.


Turn around, sit/lean on the fender, drop your hand/arm through the gap in the corner between the engine lid engine bay & work by Braille-0-vision. You're not trying to bend your arm against the elbow & you're not doubled over.


Been doing it this way for 20 years now. Not doubled over, car is on my lift, just makes it so easy with the decklid out of the way of my arms and face.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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Glenn wrote:
Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.

Please don't hack the car.


I just use long extensions and a socket from underneath, for me the trick is to move farther forward than one thinks and reach back, under 5 minutes.


This has worked for me... it's like 18 inched of extension altogether, but it works. I wedge a box end wrench on top, and apply the elbow grease from below with the ratchet. It's only hard the first time (!) but after than anti-seize and cleaned up threads make it a snap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

I have AS41 cases with the insert, my ratchet did not have enough room to move. I had to used a wrench, with limited access I could only get 1/8 of a turn at a time. An access hole will also allow easy clutch cable adjustment.

Thank you for all the tips.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

never a need for an acess hole for me, plenty of engine removals and installs. The dog house fan shroud makes it even tighter, but still no need for a hole. Suggest you try different wrenches. There are captive bolt designs for the starter side upper bolt that dont require you to hold the bolt head.

I think a change in tools and method will work just fine 10s of millions of these engines removed and installed without an access hole needed.

If you do cut an access hole, seal it to prevent water ingress from road spray, else your luggage area and or floor pans may suffer rust.

Good Luck, Bug On!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. Reply with quote

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