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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 1265 Location: GILROY, CA
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Wayne S. Johnson wrote: |
I want to cut an access hole over my 66 Beetle 1600 engine upper left mounting bolt and starter. |
Why bother???? Just not worth it either !
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Will the engine deck lid fit my 66. I like the additional louvers. |
No, 67-on engine lid will not fit 1966. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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The upper left engine bolt is a nightmare to install and remove. Wench is limited to 1/8 of a turn and a socket will not fit. A rusty bolt may take hours to remove. I'm removing the engine in a 73 parked on the dirt and have an opportunity to cut out a section under the rear window. The next inhabitants in the 73 will be chickens, yes it's going to be a Beetle chicken coop. Not my design, but the chickens don't give a cluck. _________________ Additional products https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=Wayne+S.+Johnson
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vwoldbug Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 1214 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Can you look for an Allen head bolt or the proper bolt with a 15 mm head . |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76761 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.
Please don't hack the car. _________________ Glenn
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification. |
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herbie1200 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2006 Posts: 832 Location: Rome - Italy
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification. |
Agree with all maintenance operation except for oil service: how can a hole in the suggested place help into oil servicing?
Just curious |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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early VW access panel (from the gallery)
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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scottyrocks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Probably for the transaxle. It's got to be easier to fill from the top than the bottom. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Glenn wrote: |
Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.
Please don't hack the car. |
I just use long extensions and a socket from underneath, for me the trick is to move farther forward than one thinks and reach back, under 5 minutes.
When I replaced the transmission on my 1970 in April, I also used an allen bolt in this location, takes an 8mm allen socket now; got the allen bolt at Ace Hardware down the street. This is especially helpful if one has a late 1960s-1970 transmission that has the ridge for a D-headed bolt (for use with pre-1971 engine cases). _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3635 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12818 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Keith wrote: |
I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple. |
Turn around, sit/lean on the fender, drop your hand/arm through the gap in the corner between the engine lid engine bay & work by Braille-0-vision, you can't see it anyway. You're not trying to bend your arm against the elbow & you're not doubled over.
To the OP, if the car has the proper D-bolt at the starter then the access hole isn't going to do anything for you. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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herbie1200 wrote: |
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
The early VWs namely split windows had an removable access panel that was slightly larger than what you are proposing. It allowed for oil service, clutch cable and both upper engine bolts maintenance. This cover once installed and covered will be invisible modification. |
Agree with all maintenance operation except for oil service: how can a hole in the suggested place help into oil servicing?
Just curious |
scottyrocks wrote: |
Probably for the transaxle. It's got to be easier to fill from the top than the bottom. |
Yes, transmission oil. (fluid)
The fill hole on the super early transmissions was from the top instead of the side.
Big fill nut on the lower right of this transmission case
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Keith Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Keith wrote: |
I take the decklid off to make it easier to get my arm in (I can do it without removing the decklid, but it takes no time at all to remove it and gives me just a little more room so my forearm isn’t getting jammed against the corner of the decklid). I then use a gear wrench to take the nuts off or put them on. Simple. |
Turn around, sit/lean on the fender, drop your hand/arm through the gap in the corner between the engine lid engine bay & work by Braille-0-vision. You're not trying to bend your arm against the elbow & you're not doubled over. |
Been doing it this way for 20 years now. Not doubled over, car is on my lift, just makes it so easy with the decklid out of the way of my arms and face. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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Cusser wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
Allen head bolt with a long extension and a swivel allen drive.
Please don't hack the car. |
I just use long extensions and a socket from underneath, for me the trick is to move farther forward than one thinks and reach back, under 5 minutes. |
This has worked for me... it's like 18 inched of extension altogether, but it works. I wedge a box end wrench on top, and apply the elbow grease from below with the ratchet. It's only hard the first time (!) but after than anti-seize and cleaned up threads make it a snap. |
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Wayne S. Johnson Samba Member
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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never a need for an acess hole for me, plenty of engine removals and installs. The dog house fan shroud makes it even tighter, but still no need for a hole. Suggest you try different wrenches. There are captive bolt designs for the starter side upper bolt that dont require you to hold the bolt head.
I think a change in tools and method will work just fine 10s of millions of these engines removed and installed without an access hole needed.
If you do cut an access hole, seal it to prevent water ingress from road spray, else your luggage area and or floor pans may suffer rust.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Access hole to reach the top engine bolt and starter. |
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The right tools make every job easier. _________________ Glenn
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