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Johndecarlo Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2018 Posts: 67 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:20 pm Post subject: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Been assembling this 2110 for my 71 Westfalia, been doing everything on this makeshift table sorta deal, but now as I get ready to start putting all the ignition/ charging/ carbs/ etc stuff on, I thought oh wait, how am I going to get this on the ground to install once it's finished? Hoping someone has some bright ideas that my sleep deprived brain isn't thinking of. I'm pretty industrious so I'm confident I can make it happen, the last time I had the engine out I was parked on the street in front of my friends apartment with some wood blocks and a small floor jack with only a few hours to get it back in again before street sweeping, but I'm hoping for a less stressful go of things today. I have that same small floor jack and a scissor jack to work with. It's just me right now so no "get a friend and pick it up" and I'm not to sure about trying to lift it on my own, I have about 3 months of rent sunk into this thing,( not mention I'm 2 months behind) so I can't afford to replace anything I risk breaking trying to pick it up solo. I must be over thinking this, but what do?[/img] |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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I'm not sure having a friend would be enough to pick it up. It's going to take a cherry picker or maybe a heavy duty hoist securely strapped to the rafters in the garage.
Another option that I learned from WilliamM is to slide it onto a "Jenga"-like stack of 2x4's, and slowly lower it by lifting up one side and pulling out a 2x4 and repeat until it's down.
And no reason to feel stupid. Been there, done that... ...but I had it on the ground and couldn't figure how to get it up to an engine stand.
BTW... where in CA are you? Maybe a Samba buddy can help out. Add your city to your signature line for future assistance. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
---williamM
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Go into the street and get two strangers to help you pick it up and put it down.
You’ve got 40,000,000 people in your state, use them
If you are the Omega man, then build a ramp out of plywood and slide it off the desk by lowering the wood deck on one side in steps. _________________ .ssS! |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51145 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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2 resonably healthy people can move a full dressed type 1 easily (unless they sit on the couch all day, then it might kill them). Can't you conscript a buddy?, or buy that homeless guy down the road a coffee and donut for his help?
Alternately you can slide it down a knot free 2X6 or ladder onto a skateboard or milk crate, levers, ramps and rollers is how they built the pyramids, think like an ancient Egyptian _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7107
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Johndecarlo Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2018 Posts: 67 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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KentPS wrote: |
I'm not sure having a friend would be enough to pick it up. It's going to take a cherry picker or maybe a heavy duty hoist securely strapped to the rafters in the garage.
Another option that I learned from WilliamM is to slide it onto a "Jenga"-like stack of 2x4's, and slowly lower it by lifting up one side and pulling out a 2x4 and repeat until it's down.
And no reason to feel stupid. Been there, done that... ...but I had it on the ground and couldn't figure how to get it up to an engine stand.
BTW... where in CA are you? Maybe a Samba buddy can help out. Add your city to your signature line for future assistance. |
Okay definitely don't need a cherry picker haha, two people can most certainly lift a full assembled 2110, it's not that much heavier than the stock 1600 and I have lifted that with my 67 year old father. But I definitely appreciate the Jenga sorta idea, that is definitely the sorta thing I'm looking for, so far seems like my best bet. In response to the other two comments, I might be able to to convince a friend to help but I was hoping to get this done by tonight and it's already almost 7pm here, and I'm in Los Angeles so asking a stranger isn't happening, people hate people in this city it seems, I think it's more likely someone aggees to help and then let's go as soon as I pick up my end so they can steal my wallet or kombucha or something leaving me be the first person crushed to death by an air-cooled engine. Realistically I think I'm looking at solutions for a one person job unless I put it off until I can drag someone into this mess with me |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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2 people can lift a fully dressed one. A strong fellow can lift the shortblock if you take the flywheel off. I doubt if you can even torque the gland nut on the flywheel on the table it is on without toppling the whole thing. I usually have to put a big block of wood under one of the heads and then torque the gland nut. Some of us have to stand on the wrench to get to 253 ft lbs. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:45 am Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Johndecarlo wrote: |
... and I'm in Los Angeles so asking a stranger isn't happening, people hate people in this city it seems, |
The friendliest parts of the LA Basin have a much harder edge than the shittiest parts of West Oakland.
Johndecarlo wrote: |
...leaving me be the first person crushed to death by an air-cooled engine. Realistically I think I'm looking at solutions for a one person job unless I put it off until I can drag someone into this mess with me |
The ramp suggestion will only work if you brace your makeshift table from being pushed out and away from the sliding weight of your engine going down a ramp. Ask me how I know. It won't just easily slide off a horizontal surface onto a piece of lumber... you'll have to work it there and that might cause a wobbly experience.
Pick that sucker up off the makeshift work table now before it's dressed. Put it on a high deck skateboard. Block the skateboard from moving. Finish dressing the engine. Roll the floor jack under the skateboard, then install your engine. Go rest your back from being hunched over fully dressing out an engine that's been sitting on the floor. |
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Mispeld Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2018 Posts: 355 Location: Jacksonville - Coastal NC
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:32 am Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Hang a come-along from the ceiling? A buddy lifted the front of his Harley to change the tire by hanging two ratchet straps from the ceiling.
Or jack the bus up really really high. _________________ Tom
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andrewtf Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2011 Posts: 602 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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I had to get my engine from on top of a box like that to the engine stand by myself as well.
I went and bought a cheap ($30) chain hoist from Harbor Freight. I used 2 really large eye hooks, screwed them into a beam in my garage ceiling - about 6" apart. Then I put a large bolt (3/4") thru the eyes with a nut on the end so it could not slip out. I attached the chain hoist to the bolt and off we went. The entire rig was less than $40.
I used that same rig to pull, work on, and re-install the engine in both my bus and my daughter's bus . Works like a charm.
Just be careful how you strap the engine to the hoist - so you don't bungle up anything you don't want to. I used regular hold down straps strategically placed to avoid fragile bits and still balance the engine fairly well. And be very careful what you attach the hoist to. I'm an architect and designed my own house, so I knew where the hefty beam was that would easily support the weight. I would not dream to bolt this thing to a single truss member or ceiling joist. I will not professionally recommend it, but barring all other options, you probably have a large header over the garage door that would support the weight, but without seeing your exact situation, I can't say whether that is a good idea or not.
good luck _________________ '75 Riviera - 'BIG EMMA' (Pan American highway trip paused for a make over)
'77 Riviera - Murphy' (being reborn.... slowly)
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12722 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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What part of LA? I'm driving through around 11pm next Friday.
For torquing the gland nut without a torque-meister, install the mustache bar and place the right side end under a structural area on the bus, and use the weight of the bus to counter your body weight on the breaker bar.
Exhaust can be installed once the engine is in the car, so don't do that yet if you're looking to save weight.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22727 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Best $169 I ever spent:
Just ask D/A/N and neena. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12722 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Tram wrote: |
Best $169 I ever spent:
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Yeah that's one of the most useful tools I've ever constantly borrowed because I don't have room to store it
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2205 Location: seattle
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Come-A-Long from HF, 1500#.
Purple Lift Sling,also HF.
Done for under $40 ish. Be sure to use high strength bolts at the case.
This is way better than risking a drop from three feet.
You also need a furniture mover dolly as well if you have no trolley jack. |
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Tram wrote: |
Best $169 I ever spent: |
How far does that lower? All the way? _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
de K1IGS |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22727 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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cmonSTART wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
Best $169 I ever spent: |
How far does that lower? All the way? |
Yes, all the way. You still need jack stands and having the vehicle level is best, but you need the stands to roll under it and unfasten things anyways. Taking the engine and trans out is a breeze on this table and it doubles as a workbench. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
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CarlosZ Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2016 Posts: 319 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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I live in the valley. I’ll help you. |
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tommu Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2011 Posts: 618 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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I'd be happy to help too - well I would if I wasn't overseas for the next couple of weeks..
You'd be surprised who would help if you ask - but I totally understand not wanting to rely on the good will of strangers.
And I have that hydraulic table too and it's a life saver - and I don't use it 24/7 _________________ |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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1st world problems
in a 3rd world country it'd be a non-issue and cost a couple beers.
go down to home depot and rent a couple of the guys from the parking lot. _________________
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scrivyscriv Samba Electrician
Joined: October 04, 2011 Posts: 2922 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: I feel pretty stupid, suggestions? |
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Tram wrote: |
Best $169 I ever spent:
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Yep... been doing my engine work with a motorcycle jack up till a few weeks ago when I got the 500#cap HF hydraulic table. It goes up a little past the open edge of my Ranger tailgate and goes down about 6" from the ground. _________________ Robert in Memphis
Dünkelgrügen 1967 Java Green bug thread
Engine rebuild thread
If you're ever in the Memphis area, you are welcome to stop by for advice and help. |
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