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TomWesty
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 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Tcash wrote: |
Stu you guys up yet? Its 6am daylights a wasting!
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Damn, Tim! A bit pushy aintcha? 
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| TomWesty wrote: |
| Tcash wrote: |
Stu you guys up yet? Its 6am daylights a wasting!
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Damn, Tim! A bit pushy aintcha? |
Just excited! Hoping they will post pictures in real time for a build thread, so we can follow along?
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Stuartzickefoose
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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Getting the old case fully dismantled to get the oil pickup and oil pressure relief valve and distributor drive gear since new ones were not provided with the new engine case.
(I spy a bay window in the pic...)
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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Don't forget the Cam Plug and the Thermostat Pulley.
Put some thread sealant on the Thermostat Pulley bolt.
Sometimes that hole goes all the way through to the oil sump.
Good luck
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Stuartzickefoose
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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Hopefully this answers some of the questions...sorry for the shadows!
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SGKent 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Getting the old case fully dismantled to get the oil pickup and oil pressure relief valve and distributor drive gear since new ones were not provided with the new engine case. |
be aware there are two different oil pickups depending on the case. GE takes a different pickup than early cases.
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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GE 035 092
That is a 1978 Hydraulic lifter, single relief case.
Aug 1 218 2 000 001
GE 007 083 - 037 091, 2000/70HP DIN M157 USA, Start of 1978 model year
Hydraulic lifters started.
Drilled and tapped for Gallery plugs thats good.
Use some carb cleaner and clean the Oil Galleries, and then blow them out with some compressed air.
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Getting the old case fully dismantled to get the oil pickup and oil pressure relief valve and distributor drive gear since new ones were not provided with the new engine case. |
be aware there are two different oil pickups depending on the case. GE takes a different pickup than early cases. |
Good catch Kent.
The Hydraulic case pickup 021 101 149 C is 51/2" long. See if the machine shop has one.
| whip618 wrote: |
I think that I have these identified correctly. The upper pick up tube is from a 914, the middle is the newer one and the bottom is the older version.
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timvw7476
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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he's wrenching & snapping pictures, hopefully.
NWCR would thread the oil passages before they gave the case back.......... |
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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fyi to all - it is generally considered that water, preferably hot & soapy, is the only thing that will release the electrostatic bonds that is created between media blasting and parts, I am culpable on that too because we washed everything in the shop in a high pressure parts washer that used hot water and a caustic solution but at home I used to clean things out with solvent or carb cleaner. Used to always have beads caught in the threads when I did that. When I started cleaning with hot soapy water under pressure rarely does chasing threads do more than clean them up these days. Some guys buy a dish washer from someone in a house remodel where there is nothing wrong with it other than all the appliances are being replaced. Stick it out in the corner of the yard next to the shed, run hot water to it, and power - and presto they have a parts washer to get rid of the grit. Use environmentally friendly dish washer cleaners.
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| timvw7476 wrote: |
he's wrenching & snapping pictures, hopefully.
NWCR would thread the oil passages before they gave the case back.......... |
Looks like the oil galleries have threaded plugs in them.
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timvw7476
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Tcash wrote: |
| timvw7476 wrote: |
he's wrenching & snapping pictures, hopefully.
NWCR would thread the oil passages before they gave the case back.......... |
Looks like the oil galleries have threaded plugs in them.
Tcash |
I forgot the original (case)was a bit..mutilated.
Looks good. |
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Tcash wrote: |
GE 035 092
That is a 1978 Hydraulic lifter, single relief case.
Aug 1 218 2 000 001
GE 007 083 - 037 091, 2000/70HP DIN M157 USA, Start of 1978 model year
Hydraulic lifters started.
Drilled and tapped for Gallery plugs thats good.
Use some carb cleaner and clean the Oil Galleries, and then blow them out with some compressed air.
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On the hydraulic drawing that Richard used he shows the oil relief dumping back to the sump. On the late GD and GE cases the oil dumps back to the oil pump passage. Just an FYI. When starting the bus the first time and trying to get oil pressure, don't be surprised if there is none. That might be because the air trapped in that passage will just loop and cavitate around the pump gears. If the oil sender is removed and a hose screwed in and aimed at a bucket, oil pressure will come up instantly just using the starter and then the sender can be screwed back in. This issue has been an ongoing issue with GD and GE cases for sometime due to that oil loop. It is worse when the engine has tight clearances after a rebuild.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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#2 crank saddle looks to have an inclusion and #3 looks to have a pretty decent low spot
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| fyi to all - it is generally considered that water, preferably hot & soapy, is the only thing that will release the electrostatic bonds that is created between media blasting and parts, I am culpable on that too because we washed everything in the shop in a high pressure parts washer that used hot water and a caustic solution but at home I used to clean things out with solvent or carb cleaner. Used to always have beads caught in the threads when I did that. When I started cleaning with hot soapy water under pressure rarely does chasing threads do more than clean them up these days. Some guys buy a dish washer from someone in a house remodel where there is nothing wrong with it other than all the appliances are being replaced. Stick it out in the corner of the yard next to the shed, run hot water to it, and power - and presto they have a parts washer to get rid of the grit. Use environmentally friendly dish washer cleaners. |
Yes.....actually caustic soda will do it.....or even a light acid wash.....and any high detergent or most,industrial degreasers...will do it.
Its not "exactly" electrostatic....but acts similar and electro is part of it. Its a surface tension thing.
Very few solvents can break the surface tension without a rinse agent. Ray |
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scrivyscriv
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| ...media blasting a case... |
Its not "exactly" electrostatic....but acts similar and electro is part of it. Its a surface tension thing. |
will that kind of cleanup get you out of the woods after glass beading a case? I know a guy who might have done that once....
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| scrivyscriv wrote: |
| raygreenwood wrote: |
| SGKent wrote: |
| ...media blasting a case... |
Its not "exactly" electrostatic....but acts similar and electro is part of it. Its a surface tension thing. |
will that kind of cleanup get you out of the woods after glass beading a case? I know a guy who might have done that once.... |
Glass beading?.....or sand blasting?.....or abrasive media blasting?
In all three situations.....it can help greatly.
Glass beading: the glass beads are moderately soft. They are annealed glass. They also are not initially sharp.They are not technically an abrasive. They actually peen soft surfaces. Good glass bead media (from sources that make them) are designed to be reused 2-3 times if they are properly used (pressure wise) and depending on what surface they are used on.
Their biggest problem is not that they are abrasive.....its that they are light and round and can get into every nook and cranny and do not readily flush away because of their shape and especially if they are embedded in oil or grease. Like....inside galleys that are not perfectly clean.
Also if the blast pressure is too high the beads shatter when they hit, breaking into smaller pieces with sharp edges that can embed some of themselves into some soft metal surfaces. These are still not a huge abrasion issue as the hardness of the glass is very low.
The biggest worry is that they can choke small oil holes and get lodged in thin areas of the oil cooler. And because of their shape and how they nest together being spherical with bery small spaces in between.....the surface tension in those spaces is SUPER high.....so a pile of glass beads with oil between them can and will gather other debris in the oil that comes in contact with it.
So.....if you have to glass bead a case or heads.....use the lowest pressure that will get the job done.....pull every last galley plug......brush clean all galleys. Start with a solvent to break down oil. Then use an industrial degreaser.....preferably one with either sodium hydroxide or sodium silicate.....which breaks down oil/grease sludge that is tacky. Then use a light acid wash. It also very slightly etches the surface....at a microscopic level so it helps to removes any shattered embedded glass fragments.
An acid as a rinse agent to break surface tension is the last big thing. Vinegar would be easy to use but its hard to get a high enough solution strength. You can use oxalic acid from the hardware store. Flush and brush everywhere.
The acid breaks surface tension of any left over water and soap in those small spaces between the beads. Use lots of hot water to flush away everything it can reach. Ray |
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Stuartzickefoose
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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Jerry solvent cleans after media blasting.
engine short block is built minus a oil pump (left it and a few other bits at the machine shop accidentally) going to pick up heads wednesday and a few other small things and should be able to fire it up by friday!
bus is also getting:
~new fuel lines (inside the fuel tank area too) and adjust sender (works but off spec)
~a pair of vanagon front sets with armrests
~retractable vanagon seatbelts
~the front end is getting greased (center pin is shot!)
~sliding door cleaned and lubricared, new nylon slider bushing
~ fixing a rattling passenger window regulator
~Drive door lock (and both front door latches cleaned and lubed)
~possibly a new dash pod from ken, if theres time.
~adjust front wipers (not sitting level)
desperately need new westy hinges...anyone have a set for sale?
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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I might consider cleaning the galleries, crank, push rods, rocker arms, out again regardless who says they were cleaned. Someone else just lost a new motor that way here. Just a few remaining beads is all it took.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. |
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| Jerry solvent cleans after media blasting. |
Did you read Steve and Ray's comments about surface tension?, sleep well............... 
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