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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

wcfvw69 wrote:
Soo... looking at the dead body on the autopsy table, what's the experts opinions on the mileage that engine had on it?

I'm thinking well over 100k.


One more than the mechanical limit. "It ran when I parked scattered it."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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Gregg in the 603 wrote:
Good job Stu, that thing is f'd up.


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Good news is the roadside head option is off the table


That is never good news. I'm married, which means that's been off the table for years....


I'd be servin her papers for breakfast...

Hey Stewie, if you get no love up there on a case I can try a couple people down here for ya. Email me.


didn't see the blow up of the case photos until just now. Time to find a long block I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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wcfvw69 wrote:
Soo... looking at the dead body on the autopsy table, what's the experts opinions on the mileage that engine had on it?

I'm thinking well over 100k.


One more than the mechanical limit. "It ran when I parked scattered it."


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

wcfvw69 wrote:
Soo... looking at the dead body on the autopsy table, what's the experts opinions on the mileage that engine had on it?

I'm thinking well over 100k.


About the only way to judge the mileage on a Type 4 engine is to look at the cam and lifters.

Not much other wear on the engine corresponds to mileage.

This engine may have been run low on oil or over revved 20k miles ago and only now decided to die.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Hello,
If it is of any help...
I have a complete 2.0L cv engine(1980 vanagon) that seems to be a recent rebuilt. It has good results from the leak down test, plugs seem fine(1-4 L-R), oil doesn't smell burnt and it was really clean underneath. Most of the oil seemed to be coming from in front of the engine tin, tranny? Oh, well... take a look at the pictures, the last pic is after the steam clean. there are more in the gallery.
So, if you need it. For the case, crank, rods or what ever; if it will work,being a vanagon engine, let me know. I can ship it on a pallet Fedex.
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I have a 71 bus so this engine isn't doing me any good and I'm not into it for that much. So, let me know if it can be of any help.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

That's the ticket right there. A 2.0 is a 2.0. Yank that puppy down to the long block and have it shipped, Stu. Put the Bus fuel exhaust and tin on it- clutch and flywheel too to save on shipping weight- and away she goes.

Wonder if and Samba folks are heading north from California. Maybe it could be gotten to me in Springfield Or. and Stu or the owners could bomb down and get it.

Just a thought... I don't mind providing the meetup spot. Maybe it CAN get on the road in a week! Laughing Hell, I'll even throw burgers and beer in the mix.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Great offer, and Iíll save it as a backup and I can pick it up personally with my TDI if the parts arenít back by Friday. However, NW connecting rod is saying he can get me everything to build a long lock ourselves by the end of next week. So we are gonna have a full new engine built by us. Keep ya posted all!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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Great offer, and Iíll save it as a backup and I can pick it up personally with my TDI if the parts arenít back by Friday. However, NW connecting rod is saying he can get me everything to build a long lock ourselves by the end of next week. So we are gonna have a full new engine built by us. Keep ya posted all!


You should pick it up anyways as a backup for Corky. Wink Vanagon Westys were fresh hell on 2.0 aircooleds.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

You can't bolt a 1978 and earlier exhaust to a Vanagon long block due to the change in exhaust port design. You would also have to deal with a few other differences in the design that might be fine for the DIY, but one probably wouldn't want to be paying someone else to do the work.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Hello, ^^^^ You are correct. For some reason I thought it was a 79 that was broken, with the square exhaust ports.
Oh well, It was just a thought....
Well, if anyone gernades their engine coming though the area, I've got one, along with a BA6 heater system..
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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Pretty cool they still have the thermostat and EGR valve.


Um, no.. that thermostat is expanded and shot;
(Same with the one on the Vanagon donor offer),
And,
Iíll bet you that EGR is plugged solid.

So,
Looking at the amount of sludge piled onto the top of that dead motor,
It looks to me that this thing was a giant pile all along.

Bet you the harness is wonky,
the injectors half-plugged,
And the temp sensors long ago gone wrong.

So it will be looking blow up again real soon..


Gotta pay your dues, boys.

Looks to me like our OP pretty much got what he ordered.

Sure,
Thereís bad luck for people out there,
But just one look at this thing shows that things are exactly as they are supposed to be in the universe.

Good on the community for bailing him out anyways..!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Any updates? Is the shop building a long block?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Stuartzickefoose wrote:
Great offer, and Iíll save it as a backup and I can pick it up personally with my TDI if the parts arenít back by Friday. However, NW connecting rod is saying he can get me everything to build a long lock ourselves by the end of next week. So we are gonna have a full new engine built by us. Keep ya posted all!


Good to hear Jerry at NWCR is going to be part of the solution Stuart. I have nothing but praise for him as he has helped me out with both my Type 1 and Type 4 woes. Very Happy

Any updates?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

If NWCR is machining/inspecting, it'll be all good.
Actually best spot in the tri-state area for this work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

So, it's been well over a week,
They are all done and traveled home now, right? Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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So, it's been well over a week,
They are all done and traveled home now, right? Smile


Come on now. Itís only been a week since the engine diagnosis/autopsy. NWCR said it wouldnít be until this Friday to have the work done with everything he dropped off. But I am curious about the details of this build and what the lovely couple has been doing all week. Iíve seen Stu do magical mechanics. So give him a chance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

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Pretty cool they still have the thermostat and EGR valve.


Um, no.. that thermostat is expanded and shot;
(Same with the one on the Vanagon donor offer),
And,
Iíll bet you that EGR is plugged solid.


I was talking about the donor engine...

EGR filter and valve can be serviced. At least the parts are there... and not sure how you can ascertain that the donor thermostat is bad. Of the coffee can full of the ones I have saved, I find the only true test is with a a dunk test and thermometer, but no matter. Itís all old and worn. It would be hard to justify putting that high mileage engine in and expecting good things. Besides, the vanagon exhaust is different.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Northwest Connecting Rod is not the same as it once was. I drank their Koolaid for the last decade. Jerry has become less hands on with the builds and the quality has really suffered. And if you need a quick engine itís definitely not the place to go.

And thatís not like, ďoh man he does such a good job it takes a whileĒ either. Youíre going to get excuse after excuse and in the end (weeks/months from now), youíll get the same cobbled together weekend motor build.

Donít get me wrong, Jerry is a cool dude. The people he has putting stuff together just donít give a shit.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Which makes me wonder whatís going on with these travelers. First promise was a week or two. I said go rent something and continue the trip but sitting around waiting on a rebuilt long block is just no going to turn out well
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Mayday!! Broke down in Longview WA. Reply with quote

Theyíre hosed as itís vintage meet next week here also.
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