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SGKent 
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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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| ivwshane wrote: |
I received a response from Eric about the oil and break in procedure and this was his response:
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| There is no break-in required. Just fill it with 90 or 85W-90 gear oil and you're ready to go. The shifting will be a little stiff at first; a little extra push to get it into gears, because it takes time for the new synchro rings to wear and conform to the gear hubs. There is nothing that could or should be done about that. Just drive it. The more it runs the better the shifting will get. |
I'm trying to find 85w-90 gear oil and its harder than I thought. |
Run over to Riebes on Auburn Blvd in Citrus Heights. They have the CRC Stalube GL4 Gear oil. It works fine.
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ivwshane
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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I received a response from Eric about the oil and break in procedure and this was his response:
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| There is no break-in required. Just fill it with 90 or 85W-90 gear oil and you're ready to go. The shifting will be a little stiff at first; a little extra push to get it into gears, because it takes time for the new synchro rings to wear and conform to the gear hubs. There is nothing that could or should be done about that. Just drive it. The more it runs the better the shifting will get. |
I'm trying to find 85w-90 gear oil and its harder than I thought.
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ivwshane
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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| SGKent wrote: |
the early like 1976 and earlier had like rubber sleeves that fit over the horns on the trans mount. By 1977 those were gone and the horns were coated. There is no room for them on about 1977 and later.
My 1977 is a solid plate with no indents. I used some blue Loctite too when installing those bolts. |
Thanks!
There isn't a more updated Bentley out there, right? I'm finding it lacking in the pictures department when it comes to having newer equipment (for example, there is no picture of an 091 transmission).
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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the early like 1976 and earlier had like rubber sleeves that fit over the horns on the trans mount. By 1977 those were gone and the horns were coated. There is no room for them on about 1977 and later.
My 1977 is a solid plate with no indents. I used some blue Loctite too when installing those bolts.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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I'm looking at the Bentley, page 6-12 figure 4-1 and it shows rubber stops on the bonded rubber yoke. I know my old transmission didn't have these so I'm trying to source some.
Does anyone have a part number for them or a source?
Also, my limited stop (item 13 on the page) doesn't have grooves like I'm the picture, is that a big deal? Mine is a just a thick piece of rectangular metal.
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SGKent
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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GL5 is fine if he isn't using the moly coated synchros. VW has both moly coated, and the lesser expensive plain brass synchros. You'd have to ask Eric what he used before using GL5 or a synthetic.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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| Looks spiffy!, sand the paint off the starter pad while it's easy to get at, spiff doesn't conduct electricity all that well. |
I recommend Transworks and Eric is a great guy but he paints the starter pads. I called him about it and he thought I was nuts. He also says GL-5 is fine. I removed the starter pad paint anyway. Then applied conductive grease to it before installing the starter.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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Just for the record, RTV can be used on both sides of the steel thrust plate. I have done it before, and I am about to do the same thing on the 002 in my 68 single cab.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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Hell, I’m even excited and I have no idea why..... 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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Rick Long said Eris is as good as it gets on the west coast for bus transmission rebuilds. Enjoy.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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Looks spiffy!, sand the paint off the starter pad while it's easy to get at, spiff doesn't conduct electricity all that well.
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ivwshane
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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So my refurbished, new to me, 091 came in today! I had a core I got from bustedbus sent to transworks in el Cajon and they were able to get it back to me in a week!
I had to add the nose cone yoke and a throw out bearing. Besides those items is there anything else I should look at and inspect before I install it? What oil should I use and what is the recommended break in procedure (I guess I could call transworks).
Since this will be the first time I've ever installed a transmission, are there any tips or issues I need to be aware of?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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It doesn't look like an 091 carrier installed on an 002 main case, but measuring the thickness of this flange will tell you. The 091 is 10mm thicker than the 002 to accommodate wider 3rd & 4th gears. (Someone else needs to supply dimensions, as I'm far from any cores.)
Even if it's 002, this doesn't mean it hasn't been rebuilt with an 002-style 4.57 R&P. At least half the transaxles floating around have been rebuilt at least once. |
Thanks. I'm going to assume its not since that part of the transmission has an 002 part #.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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It doesn't look like an 091 carrier installed on an 002 main case, but measuring the thickness of this flange will tell you. The 091 is 10mm thicker than the 002 to accommodate wider 3rd & 4th gears. (Someone else needs to supply dimensions, as I'm far from any cores.)
Even if it's 002, this doesn't mean it hasn't been rebuilt with an 002-style 4.57 R&P. At least half the transaxles floating around have been rebuilt at least once.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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| Tcash wrote: |
Throw it in and try it?
Good luck
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Try what? My transmission is good and was working great before I dropped the engine. I'm just trying to make everything right and do this engine drop once. Dropping the engine and trans is not a trivial thing for me so I prefer to take care of everything now.
The question/issue is whether or not my transmission is really a 091 gearing inside of a 002 housing. A 091 transmission inside of an 002 housing, while not as strong, would not be a deal breaker for me. However, if I'm not getting any benefit from having an 002 transmission then I'd rather get it replaced when a 091.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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Throw it in and try it?
Good luck
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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| ivwshane wrote: |
I measured 26mm.
So what does all this mean? |
28-26 I don't think 2mm is going to make a difference.
This means the 091 Bell housing and input shaft where installed on the 002 trans to run on the Type IV engine.
Other than your questionable gearing. Which may not be a factor if you run around town most of the time. The transmission will bolt right up to your Type IV motor.
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Most of my driving is freeway.
Should I check the trans in another gear to see if maybe I wasn't measuring it in fourth correctly?
I would hate to waste money on a transmission if it's not going yield me any gains other than a stronger case (at least for now anyway).
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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I measured 26mm.
So what does all this mean? |
28-26 I don't think 2mm is going to make a difference.
This means the 091 Bell housing and input shaft where installed on the 002 trans to run on the Type IV engine.
Other than your questionable gearing. Which may not be a factor if you run around town most of the time. The transmission will bolt right up to your Type IV motor.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing the nose cone (with steel plate)? |
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I measured 26mm.
So what does all this mean?
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