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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 am Post subject: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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I'm not sure if I got the name right but what kind of lubricant should I use between the two metal plates that adjust the timing on the BR8 Distributor? I think I recall the manual mentioned some drops of motor oil, but they are metal on metal and that doesn't seem to be substantial enough.
The part in question is pointed out by the red arrow.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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I use Bosch distributor grease _________________ Glenn
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Thanks Glenn,
I hand polished for hours those mating surfaces because mine were worn down. It is a very close fit and there were some depressions in the "top" plate that were deep enough to cause jerky motion. Moving my way from 400 grit to 800 I was able to restore non-interference and smooth operation, but I never want to do that again! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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garagebandking41 wrote: |
Thanks Glenn,
I hand polished for hours those mating surfaces because mine were worn down. It is a very close fit and there were some depressions in the "top" plate that were deep enough to cause jerky motion. Moving my way from 400 grit to 800 I was able to restore non-interference and smooth operation, but I never want to do that again! |
Those divots are a problem.
If you contacted me, i have a few of those assemblies in good condition and would of sold one for a reasonable price.
Whenever I buy a core that is not rebuildable, I do salvage every good parts and do offer them for sale if I have more than i need.
Divot
_________________ Glenn
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Glenn,
Your pictures did not show up. The link may be dead. I'm interested to see how bad they can get. Like I said, mine was salvageable. I didn't mic them but I couldn't have taken off more than a thou to cure the problem. Like butter now
Edit: Now the pictures showed up. Mine look just like that now! Thank you again. |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Glenn, when you say "divots", what area are you referring to? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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nlorntson wrote: |
Glenn, when you say "divots", what area are you referring to? |
The indent on the raised surface that the ball rides on. It should be smooth so the ball can move when the upper plate moves. _________________ Glenn
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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The indent on the raised surface that the ball rides on |
Ahh, I didn't realize that is what you were referring to. Mine does not have that issue. I had to polish grooves worn in by the three raised sections on the bottom plate. You can't really tell in my tear down pic. but you can see the three raised sections right in the middle of the frame there.
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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I've never seen one where the bottom of the upper breaker plate needed to be resurfaced. And i've rebuilt over 200 of them. _________________ Glenn
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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I've never seen one where the bottom of the upper breaker plate needed to be resurfaced. |
I'll take a photo when I get back to my shop. You can still make out the grooves I'm talking about. I polished just enough to restore smooth movement, though I think it may have been a bit unnecessary to the degree I took it. |
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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You can see my sanding. But still make out the original indentations of the bottom breaker plate. It passes the fingernail test and is now smooth. |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Glenn wrote: |
I use Bosch distributor grease |
What then, should the rest of us use? if you've done a google search for the stuff you find out that there is little out there. One Samba user found a tube and has put it up for sale:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2178463
When last I saw a tube on ebay it sold for $25 and wasn't even a full tube.
Here is a helpful thread for the rest of us:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=652724&highlight=distributor+grease
for the glide surface of the points plates even a thin coat of some bearing grease will do in a pinch, or you can pay $225... _________________ Roads Scholar &
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Or Standard Libricam For $11.
https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Motor-Products-SL2-Lubricam/dp/B000JKDAR6
tasb wrote: |
for the glide surface of the points plates even a thin coat of some bearing grease will do in a pinch, or you can pay $225... |
Wheel bearing grease is ment to be kept in place by seals. Distributor grease is very sticky and stays in place.
Oil will work, but for how long? Use an inferior product and the plate will eventually drag as friction increased and finally bind. Then you'll be doing it again. _________________ Glenn
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Good alternative,
A thin layer of bearing grease sandwiched between two non moving, flat parts is not going to go anywhere. It will dry out faster- years, than distributor lube That's why I stated "in a pinch" and provided a thread with alternatives.
There are still plenty of VJU distributors out there, no need for anyone else to go through what the OP did. We have lot's of spares. _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
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garagebandking41 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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tasb wrote: |
no need for anyone else to go through what the OP did. We have lot's of spares. |
Well pardon me for keeping an original piece in working order! I was wondering why some 36hp parts are hard to come by.
In all seriousness thank you all for the help and discussion! |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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No worries, I applaud your efforts too. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Why does 5 of my Bentley manuals say it is OK to use wheel bearing grease inside the distributor cap on the cam, pivot points and advance plate ball if it is deemed so bad to use _________________ Rick
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tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Because Bentley is not Bosch and they are assuming you don't have a specific grease like Bosch distributor grease.
I used to use it to grease the input shaft of a transaxle. _________________ Glenn
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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Just the answer I figured would come.
But it's OK to say read the Bentley and follow it the till doesn't agree with your perceived notions.
I have been using wheel bearing grease on hundreds and hundreds of VW distributors over 50 years with no problems so I guess Bentley can't be to far off by recommending it. _________________ Rick
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch VJU4BR8 Distributor Contact Plate Lubricant |
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60ragtop wrote: |
Just the answer I figured would come.
But it's OK to say read the Bentley and follow it the till doesn't agree with your perceived notions.
I have been using wheel bearing grease on hundreds and hundreds of VW distributors over 50 years with no problems so I guess Bentley can't be to far off by recommending it. |
I've rebuilt over 3000 distributors and everyone that used wheel bearing grease had it slung all over the inside and think gunk on the bottom.
The problem is not that it doesn't lubricate, jut just doesn't stick as well as the correct product. But since the correct product is NLA, use whatever works for you.
I bet if you read the Muir book, it says you can just Vaseline _________________ Glenn
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