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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:24 am Post subject: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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hello, Don here, new to this forum. I have a 65 beetle that keeps blowing the right side tail light fuse. whenever I turn on lights it blows instantly, any suggestions on how to track the cause? thanks |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:30 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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dberger8 wrote: |
hello, Don here, new to this forum. I have a 65 beetle that keeps blowing the right side tail light fuse. whenever I turn on lights it blows instantly, any suggestions on how to track the cause? thanks |
Start with right tail light socket, pull out the bulb, see if still blows a fuse. Like the power wire shorting to the housing (ground). _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:41 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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thank you cusser. I was finagling under the hood because the left side low beam wasn't working. got that fixed but now I'm thinking I must have moved or disturbed other wiring that caused this new problem. the same fuse is connected to the horn, blinkers and a few other things. I think the problem is under the hood in the front somewhere. |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:09 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Get a wiring diagram in front of you and trace each circuit involved- and take a close look at the "58" output of your light switch. I agree with Cusser- you must have a hot lead dead shorted somewhere. _________________
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:27 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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thank you, will try that |
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5601 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Replace the fuse with a test light across both of the tabs. Because you have a short it will 'light' up. As you remove bulbs and wiggle wires you may see the test light go out. You've found the short without having a pile of blown fuses. _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 44 yrs - Plan B: '81 Rabbit Diesel LS Deluxe - Plan C: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs-
VW Wiring = It's just wires |
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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thank you runamoc, will purchase a test light and try it. I appreciate the help! |
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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hella again, runamoc. the fuse that blows only happens when I pull the light switch on. not sure if you thought it blowing as soon as I inserted it, regardless of the light switch position. do I still test it the same way? |
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WADVR Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2015 Posts: 108 Location: Carnation, WA
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Yes that circuit is switched with the headlamp switch so it makes sense that it only blows the fuse when turned on. I would start with the license plate wire and bulb socket as that circuit splits on the fire wall and powers it as well. You could also use that connect to isolate the tail light and the plate light to test. .
good luck _________________ - 67 Beetle Full Resto Project
- 66 Beetle “Parts Car” Project |
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5601 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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dberger8 wrote: |
hella again, runamoc. the fuse that blows only happens when I pull the light switch on. not sure if you thought it blowing as soon as I inserted it, regardless of the light switch position. do I still test it the same way? |
Take the fuse out, connect the test light to the two fuse 'tabs'. Pull the light switch on, the test light should 'lite up'. Start by pulling different wires off of the light switch one at a time till the light goes out or very dim. _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 44 yrs - Plan B: '81 Rabbit Diesel LS Deluxe - Plan C: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs-
VW Wiring = It's just wires |
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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thanks, I will try that tomorrow. test light did go on between fuse terminals like you said. will try the one at a time method. what ever one makes the test light go off is the culprit, correct? thanks for the help, hope I'm not a pain in the butt
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5601 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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what ever one makes the test light go off is the culprit, correct |
Correct, a bright light going out is the short. It maybe be dim but bright going out you have found the short _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 44 yrs - Plan B: '81 Rabbit Diesel LS Deluxe - Plan C: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs-
VW Wiring = It's just wires |
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dberger8 Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2018 Posts: 7 Location: Rhode Island
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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hi again, the light goes out when I pull the wire off of the top connector closest to the front of the car. it then splits with one end going to the fuel gauge light and the other going to the 3rd fuse position from the passenger side. there is a wire exiting the fuse block meeting with a bunch of other wires wrapped up heading into the driver side fender well. not sur what to do from here. no jiggling makes the light go out. guess ill have to take it to a shop, thanks for your help |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34021 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Post a pic of the fusebox connections in the area you are troubleshooting. Often POs rewire and relocate wires, so we can't tell just form the wiring diagram. |
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rcmartinez63 Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2022 Posts: 1 Location: SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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I have my electric fuel pump on my 62 Vert, wired to the fuse that controls my signal lights and for what ever reason as soon as I turn on the ignition the fuse blows.
Any suggestions as to why? Was working perfectly fine and started after I changed my rear taillight bulb. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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rcmartinez63 wrote: |
I have my electric fuel pump on my 62 Vert, wired to the fuse that controls my signal lights and for what ever reason as soon as I turn on the ignition the fuse blows.
Any suggestions as to why? Was working perfectly fine and started after I changed my rear taillight bulb. |
I'd separate that electric fuel pump from any other fuses/circuits if it was mine.
Actually - I'd use a mechanical fuel pump if mine !!!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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dberger8 wrote: |
thank you cusser. I was finagling under the hood because the left side low beam wasn't working. got that fixed but now I'm thinking I must have moved or disturbed other wiring that caused this new problem. the same fuse is connected to the horn, blinkers and a few other things. I think the problem is under the hood in the front somewhere. |
Something is wrong here. These old Bugs had 8 fuses, 4 for headlights (1 each for each high beam and low beam), 2 tail light fuses (1 for the left tail light, the other for the right tail light and license plate light), 1 constant hot fuse (dome light, radio), and 1 ignition switched hot fuse (brake lights, turn signals, horn.) Some things are originally unfused, the ignition coil and front parking lights on US spec cars (IMHO that was a really bad idea on VWs part.) _________________
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Crew Dad Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2018 Posts: 39 Location: Nashville/TN
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:12 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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runamoc wrote: |
Replace the fuse with a test light across both of the tabs. Because you have a short it will 'light' up. As you remove bulbs and wiggle wires you may see the test light go out. You've found the short without having a pile of blown fuses. |
I'm having the same issue except over the last month or so I've replaced all my switches cleaned all the grounds, and everything works,
But whenever I have the headlight and running lights on and hit the turn signal it blows the number one fuse ?
The number one fuse is switch power.... so the switch powered will make the light come on. if I'm correct?
so I would not be able to use this method to trace down these short. Am I correctam or not? I'm not the best for the wine I've been fighting this thing for over two months one problem goes away when I rewire all those switches but then some thing else doesn't work? this is the closest I've been to getting them all to work and everything work properly. This afternoon I might try taking all the bulbs out of each corner and see if it still blows?
I could use some help if you guys don't mind thanks and advance. |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5481 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:17 am Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Crew Dad wrote: |
But whenever I have the headlight and running lights on and hit the turn signal it blows the number one fuse ?
The number one fuse is switch power.... so the switch powered will make the light come on. if I'm correct? |
It sounds like you are powering the headlight switch off the number 1 fuse. The headlight switch is supposed to receive constant hot power, the head lights and tail lights are fused after the headlight switch. _________________
Wildthings wrote: |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: tracking down cause of blown fuse |
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Just checking that you are aware of the wiring diagrams for your car:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiringt1.php
Crew Dad wrote: |
I'm having the same issue except over the last month or so I've replaced all my switches cleaned all the grounds, and everything works,
But whenever I have the headlight and running lights on and hit the turn signal it blows the number one fuse ?
The number one fuse is switch power.... so the switch powered will make the light come on. if I'm correct?
so I would not be able to use this method to trace down these short. Am I correct am or not? I'm not the best for the wine I've been fighting this thing for over two months one problem goes away when I rewire all those switches but then some thing else doesn't work? this is the closest I've been to getting them all to work and everything work properly. This afternoon I might try taking all the bulbs out of each corner and see if it still blows?
I could use some help if you guys don't mind thanks and advance. |
As you face the trunk side of the fuse box, which one are you calling the #1 fuse? Left or right?
A picture would help |
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