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SoquelDude Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2021 Posts: 154 Location: Samta Cruz, CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:24 pm Post subject: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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Hi!
My coolant sensor is dust, so I need to replace it. I wanted to see what folks felt about the GW sensor. How reliable is it? ANy problems using it with the original, plastic expansion tank?
Thanks! _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:12 am Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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SoquelDude wrote: |
Hi!
My coolant sensor is dust, so I need to replace it. I wanted to see what folks felt about the GW sensor. How reliable is it? ANy problems using it with the original, plastic expansion tank?
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I posted all good info about these sensors in this thread : https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9863658
I buy the kit from GoWesty and for customers I install a made in USA sensor and a silicone O'ring.
For you, just wait for when the sender fails, maybe it'll last longer than for me.
I've had 2 chinese sensors fail shortly so I'm done with them. No problem to fit on a plastic tank (why would there be?). _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
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bobhill8 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2017 Posts: 736 Location: MA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:49 am Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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I have the GW sensor and it has worked without issue for over a year. _________________ 1986 Westy
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SoquelDude Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2021 Posts: 154 Location: Samta Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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bobhill8 wrote: |
I have the GW sensor and it has worked without issue for over a year. |
Just to confirm, you're using this sensor on a plastic or aluminum tank? I was gonna stick with the plastic tank for now sine the GW aluminum tank is back-ordered.
https://gowesty.com/products/coolant-level-sensor-conversion-kit?_pos=1&_sid=b40d8e8a7&_ss=r _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9605 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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My recent new plastic tank lasted 13 months and cracked.
If your coolant reservoir is over on the right side of your engine, you may like SmallCar's aluminum tank.
I modded an old cracked original VW sensor and a NEW URO////Parts sensor. Pics.here.
The mod has only been tested a few weeks though. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6543 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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Sodo wrote: |
My recent new plastic tank lasted 13 months and cracked. |
Lucky guy, ours went nine months.
Cracked right at the driver’s side front mounting point, and suspect yours might have, too. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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SoquelDude Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2021 Posts: 154 Location: Samta Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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I looked at SCP's Vanagon Aluminum Coolant Bottle and saw that the sight glass is on the opposite side from where GW's aluminum tank's sight glass is. SCP has this note:
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When installed in the factory waterboxer location the sight glass will be not be easily viewed as it is positioned for Subaru powered vans. |
My van has the Ej22 swap so I'll check to see where the expansion tank is. If it's in the old stock location, I'll wait for the GW tank to be in stock again. Thanks for the tip. _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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SoquelDude Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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OK, I did some troubleshooting today. I cleaned the sensor probes and electrical connector.
However, I noticed the expansion tank was 2/3 full. From all of the topics posted about the expansion tank, I was under the impression that the tank should always be full. So, I topped off the coolant in the tank and started the engine.
The level LED started blinking as before, so I'm convinced the sensor is bad. However, what would cause the drop in coolant level in the expansion tank. I saw no signs of a leak, and I can't believe a bad sensor could cause this. DO I need to bleed the coolant lines? _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9605 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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Pull the plug off the sensor.
Put a jumper across the plug (from socket to socket).
Does the LED stop blinking? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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SoquelDude Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2021 Posts: 154 Location: Samta Cruz, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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Sodo wrote: |
Pull the plug off the sensor.
Put a jumper across the plug (from socket to socket).
Does the LED stop blinking? |
Sorry for the delay. I didn't have alligator clips small enough so I just ran a paper clip across the connector leads, and I had to hoodwink a neighbor to help. Anyway, the blinking continued after applying the jumper. Could the coolant thermostat be causing the problem?
BTW, I am planning on bleeding the coolant system since I don't like the fact that the expansion tank was not full. I did top it off before trying the jumper test, but that didn't stop the LED from blinking. _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6351 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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If the paper clip doesn't trigger the light to NOT come on, then it's an instrument cluster printed circuit issue or a break in the wiring.
Check the ground wire at the connector is actually grounded, then
with the jumper on, just check continuity on the opposite end of the wiring harness dashboard side to ground. That'll take care of the harness. Once that is good, you're onto the next step... _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17121 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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I recall you have to cycle the key once the led is flashing. So with the switch harness jumped, be sure to have the key in the off position. _________________ ☮️ |
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SoquelDude Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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MarkWard wrote: |
I recall you have to cycle the key once the led is flashing. So with the switch harness jumped, be sure to have the key in the off position. |
Yup, did that. That was why I had to hoodwink a neighbor to help me. _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9799 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
...or a break in the wiring... |
This is what caused my to flash all the time. As I recall it was somewhere that had some chafing at a bend possibly beneath the coil. Easy enough to check.
I'm glad mine was just the wiring as the sensor and tank are original and it sounds like replacements are iffy. |
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SoquelDude Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2021 Posts: 154 Location: Samta Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:09 am Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
If the paper clip doesn't trigger the light to NOT come on, then it's an instrument cluster printed circuit issue or a break in the wiring. |
It did turn out to be wire damage on the harness for the level sensor. Looks like rats gnawed at it. I fixed that and the LED works as it should but the gauge still doesn't register a temp. I ordered some under-the-hood rat repellent devices that I'll attach to the underside of the engine lid. The gauge issue may be beyond my pay scale however.
Thanks for the tips. _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:28 am Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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SoquelDude wrote: |
I ordered some under-the-hood rat repellent devices that I'll attach to the underside of the engine lid. |
Get the 5-gal bucket-type traps for mice.
I'm not sure if they work for rats. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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SoquelDude Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:43 am Post subject: Re: GW Coolant Level Sensor vs Aftermarket Coolant Level Sensor |
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Sodo wrote: |
Get the 5-gal bucket-type traps for mice.
I'm not sure if they work for rats. |
We don't have mice out where the van is, just their bigger cousins. My plan is to get the sensors inside the engine compartment and then spray the perimeter of the parking spot down with peppermint oil. Then, I'll work on putting steel wool in the breather vents for the battery compartments. _________________ '90 Vanagon Westy GL, EJ22 conversion (1993 2.2L LEGACY) |
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