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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Is there any reason why you couldn't divorce the ECU from the unit and say mount it in the intake air passage closer to the inside of the vehicle? That way it's in a relatively sealed space with a source of cool(er) air passing over the components. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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And heck, with a little bit of splicing you could possibly use the Chinese mobo+wiring+controller to revive a dead Espar or Webasto. Wonder if there's an equivalent parts source for the Chinese coolant parking heaters -- I've got a used Hydronic B5WSC with a fried motherboard, and the replacement Eberspacher controller is 3X what the entire heater cost, including shipment from Berlin. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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That FB group is VERY active and has a wealth of information available about these units. They seem hugely popular in the UK. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Is there any reason why you couldn't divorce the ECU from the unit and say mount it in the intake air passage closer to the inside of the vehicle? That way it's in a relatively sealed space with a source of cool(er) air passing over the components. |
You could probably extend the wires and do exactly that, but the ECU gets continual airflow from the fan where it's mounted inside the heater, so I don't really see what the advantage would be. Unless you're really really pressed for space, mounting it inside shouldn't be any big deal. It's not really any bigger than a Propex HS2000 -- longer front-to-back but narrower in width -- and people manage to cram those into amazingly snug "wasted space" locations in their campers already. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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I plan on mounting it below my EV cargo floor and tying the intake and output hoses into the factory rear heater plenum. I've been fretting about how to weatherproof the package, so mounting the ECU elsewhere is probably my best bet. The heater unit itself just requires wires for the fan, glowplug and temp sensor, so extending the pigtails doesn't seem too problematic. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Makes sense. I'd think that as long as you aren't fording rivers, treating the board with a conformal coating and sealing the case seams with silicone would probably be enough, but moving the electronics entirely would be even better...
And yes on the FB group, very active. It was what I learned from lurking there for a while that convinced me to pull the trigger on mine over the summer. No regrets... |
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Buggeee Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4421 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Buggeee wrote: |
Conformal Coating. Check.
Thank you T. |
No problem, glad to share what I know .. little as that may be at times. I *did* somehow manage to learn *something* with an electronics professor father in the house, despite my best efforts at the time. |
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rmcd Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2010 Posts: 1349 Location: PNW - its a dry rain.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Thanks for everyone’s perspective.
I’ve found an all aluminum 2k version with a remote and it says it can be used for high altitude above 4500m. I will be unconscious and covered with diesel soot but my body will be warm.
I will report back.
I’ve found the Espar replacement parts to be spendy so I thing the Germans are on to us. I will upgrade fuel line, filter and probably glow plug. _________________ VW LT40 build. Like a Vanagon but 30% larger in every direction and 40% slower even in metric.
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GypsyDriver Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2012 Posts: 190 Location: Columbus, GA
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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I followed your link and bought one of these for $682 shipped from Russia. Pretty good deal if its the real McCoy. So far communication's been good and it shipped fast. We'll see. |
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Gruppe B Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 1331
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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GypsyDriver wrote: |
I followed your link and bought one of these for $682 shipped from Russia. Pretty good deal if its the real McCoy. So far communication's been good and it shipped fast. We'll see. |
Hello Gypsy Driver,
I just ordered the Webasto gasoline model with upgraded programmable thermostat from the same seller (for another Vanagon of mine) $720.00 Shipped!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Webasto-Air-Top-2000-ST-C...2749.l2649
I'll keep this thread updated on progress as well. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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The installation instructions of the Webasto Airtop states:
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If it is installed on the exterior ensure that the heater is fitted in a position
where it is protected from splashing water and spray.
The heater must be installed in such a way that no water can ingress into
it if the vehicle travels through a water hazard for which that vehicle is licensed. |
..so yeah, a box is probably a great idea. I'd apply the same rule-of-thumb to the Espar, Snugger, Planar and the generic Chinese heaters. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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tristessa wrote: |
The installation instructions of the Webasto Airtop states:
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If it is installed on the exterior ensure that the heater is fitted in a position
where it is protected from splashing water and spray.
The heater must be installed in such a way that no water can ingress into
it if the vehicle travels through a water hazard for which that vehicle is licensed. |
..so yeah, a box is probably a great idea. I'd apply the same rule-of-thumb to the Espar, Snugger, Planar and the generic Chinese heaters. |
Exactly what I needed to know! Thanks! _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson
MD>Canada>AK>WA>OR>CA>AZ>UT>WY>SD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646
Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371
The Western Syncro build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=746794 |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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I've been trying to think of a box design that allows relatively easy access to the unit for servicing. I think laying it over on its side with the intake/exhaust tubes sticking out horizontally makes the most sense with this procedure in mind--assuming of course, that doesn't mess with fuel metering. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Buggeee Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4421 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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dobryan wrote: |
tristessa wrote: |
The installation instructions of the Webasto Airtop states:
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If it is installed on the exterior ensure that the heater is fitted in a position
where it is protected from splashing water and spray.
The heater must be installed in such a way that no water can ingress into
it if the vehicle travels through a water hazard for which that vehicle is licensed. |
..so yeah, a box is probably a great idea. I'd apply the same rule-of-thumb to the Espar, Snugger, Planar and the generic Chinese heaters. |
Exactly what I needed to know! Thanks! |
Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I've been trying to think of a box design that allows relatively easy access to the unit for servicing. I think laying it over on its side with the intake/exhaust tubes sticking out horizontally makes the most sense with this procedure in mind--assuming of course, that doesn't mess with fuel metering. |
When I was researching the mounting underneath, I found these pre-made boxes. They are available from a number of places. I just picked a link at random so you can get flavor. This one is $167, which is in the ball park of what I was finding:
https://www.heatso.com/external-mounting-box-for-a...XoQAvD_BwE
Also, in one of videos I watched the man said if you mount the unit on its side you have to make sure the glow plug is on the top and not on the bottom. He said it will get flooded on the bottom.
And the Webasto instructions I downloaded suggest the box if it is mounted on top of a vehicle. Underneath the vehicle it just wants it above the waterline if you are crossing a stream, and out of the splash zone.
Here is a link to a mounting bracket for a T5 which gives ideas:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192718446617?ViewItem=&item=192718446617
Edit: Here is a better link to Butler Technik website with a flurry of mounting options, including a box that looks like it should hang from below, with a side access panel:
https://www.butlertechnik.com/installation-accessories-c63/mounting-accessories-c117
And here is a link to the installation instructions for the Webasto Airtop 2000 ST, which is the clone I am talking about as it is on its way
https://www.butlertechnik.com/downloads/Webasto_Airtop_2000ST_Installation_Instruction.pdf
Ta. _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
72 Super Duper http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=672387
(adopted out) 61 Turkis Pile https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728764
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Gruppe B Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 1331
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I plan on mounting it below my EV cargo floor and tying the intake and output hoses into the factory rear heater plenum. I've been fretting about how to weatherproof the package, so mounting the ECU elsewhere is probably my best bet. The heater unit itself just requires wires for the fan, glowplug and temp sensor, so extending the pigtails doesn't seem too problematic. |
Hey Casey,
Have you thought about mounting the heater under the passenger front seat?
Not sure if there is enough clearance but if there is you could keep it indoors and safe while using mostly unused space. wait a moment, is the gastank directly under the seat? |
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tristessa Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Pretty sure the EV tank is on the driver's side. I know the filler is... |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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The tank stretches across the vehicle from side to side under the front seats. I thought about putting it under the seat, but I don't want to give up that storage space or have any smells inside the van.
This is essentially how I plan on installing mine. I probably would do the same on a Vanagon.
Syncro TDI EV:
_________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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tristessa Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? |
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Food for thought -- this was posted to the FB group in a thread where someone was asking for mounting ideas for their T4. Looks like there's just enough room under the RH seat to mount and apparently have the exhaust and intake piping clear the gas tank. Not sure if they used the 5KW or 2KW version though...
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