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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

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we used a small garden tractor 1.5gal tank.
it's PLENTY of fuel for a weeks trip. probably a few in casual temperatures.


that's a good idea. i'd be comfortable with one of these in the engine compartment if it held kero or diesel, not gasoline.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
we used a small garden tractor 1.5gal tank.
it's PLENTY of fuel for a weeks trip. probably a few in casual temperatures.
you 'may' be able to mount a tank behind the taillights and run a filler up to the rear vent grill, 2 screws to remove the grill is no big deal to fill the tank from a small fuel can at home or a 1 gal kero bottle from wal mart in an emergency


Dan--If you "used' a small tank, did you put it in behind the taillight, as you suggest? Any pics? Good idea filling from above: What kind of tubing did you put in from the filler behind the vent going down. Is it permanently screwed (or otherwise attached) into the tank, or do you reach in behind the lights and unscrew the stock cap and feed a down-line in from above, fill, and then re-screw the orig top?
Also-I looked on Amazon site and found several small tanks, but somehow they seem not to post the h, w, or d dimensions. Pretty lame. Anyone got a site better than Amazon for tanks?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure I'd slipped an image in a page or so back,
but we have an engine swap (2.5 I5), so ours is mounted down the PS of the motor.

but the tailights was an early option.

you can get small engine tanks in black, translucent or metal. I went with translucent so I could get an easy visual.

but the sky and your imagination is the limit, kero & diesel aren't explosive. but use some common sense and heat shielding. remember infra red is radiated and can 'shine' through a windflow to still warm up a surface.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

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Gruppe B wrote:
Full kits are on Ebay all the time for reasonable cost ($700 shipped)
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Eberspacher-Espar-Airtronic...nav=SEARCH


I followed your link and bought one of these for $682 shipped from Russia. Pretty good deal if its the real McCoy. So far communication's been good and it shipped fast. We'll see.


Hello Gypsy Driver,
I just ordered the Webasto gasoline model with upgraded programmable thermostat from the same seller (for another Vanagon of mine) $720.00 Shipped!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Webasto-Air-Top-2000-ST-C...2749.l2649

I'll keep this thread updated on progress as well.


Real Webasto Gasoline/Benzine/Petrol Air Top 2000 ST just arrived from Russia!!
Perfect packaging, brand new perfect condition fast shipping and not having to deal with idiotic scammers from China Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Looks nice, Gruppe B. Looking forward to seeing your installation. My Eberspacher arrived last week. I don't have pictures at the moment, but will update when I get a chance. I went with the diesel model, but am really tempted to order the Webasto gas model to so I can tap into my gas tank. I went with the espar diesel originally because of the reported coking problems with the gasoline models and performance at altitude (Espar vs. Webasto). I'll be interested to hear your report.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

I've been popping in this thread...but a $668 Webasto?! I looked into the B4's and I was looking at like $1500. This is a lot my cheaper (less powerful, but still).

I'm really looking forward to seeing these results.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Gruppe B wrote:

Real Webasto Gasoline/Benzine/Petrol Air Top 2000 ST just arrived from Russia!!
Perfect packaging, brand new perfect condition fast shipping and not having to deal with idiotic scammers from China Laughing ...


This is good news! I ordered mine soon after you did (on sale for $561 Wink ) but the Russian tracking number stopped reporting after it cleared their customs. My fingers are crossed!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Just got a text from DHL, the international shipping company.
My $85 + $15 diesel 2kw heater from HongKong is due tomorrow, signature required.
Looks like I'll get something anyway. Hope it works.

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Another update in the saga that is The $85 Dollar El Cheapo Supreme Diesel Parking Heater Purchase Debacle .

As some of you know.
I purchased a 2wk heater for $82.50 plus $15.99 shipping.....

I wonder if I will still actually get it and if I do will it actually be functional.
Anyone want to place bets?
Is gambling legal on The Samba?......
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Buggeee wrote:
Gruppe B wrote:

Real Webasto Gasoline/Benzine/Petrol Air Top 2000 ST just arrived from Russia!!
Perfect packaging, brand new perfect condition fast shipping and not having to deal with idiotic scammers from China Laughing ...


This is good news! I ordered mine soon after you did (on sale for $561 Wink ) but the Russian tracking number stopped reporting after it cleared their customs. My fingers are crossed!


Mine just arrived from Russia. Hopefully yours will soon too.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Aaawww man a signature.
Am I gonna hafta stay home from work to sign for this $85 thing that is decidedly already junk in most peoples minds.
You know they are probably doing the signature thing so when you try it out and it does not work they can be all like
"Well you signed for it so we assumed you inspected it before you did so. If its not working that's your problem now.
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I hate DHL anyway so I will just make the driver stand there while I hook it all up and test it out before I sign for it.
Of course I kidding... Or am I?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Does the $561 webasto deal still exist or did I miss the gravy train?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

shagginwagon83 wrote:
Does the $561 webasto deal still exist or did I miss the gravy train?


It was on sale for a few days. No longer it seems.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/122838226202
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

shagginwagon83 wrote:
Does the $561 webasto deal still exist or did I miss the gravy train?


$599 for a Webasto that burns gas, https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-Webasto-Air-Top-...0005.m1851
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Glad people are finding solutions that fit their needs and budgets. Glad you got what you ordered in a timely fashion, Gruppe B -- I've had nothing but trouble with eBay sellers and buyers in Russia over the years. I've had trouble with Chinese *items* from eBay a time or three, but only once with a *seller* until recently when trying to order extra heaters.

I'm more than happy with my sub-$200 Chinese "knockoff" heater. It works fine on the fuel it was designed to use, puts out plenty of heat on a surprisingly small amount of fuel, and I'm happy to deal with the minor inconvenience of having to have a separate fuel source for the savings -- the "extra" $4-800 I would have spent on an Eber, Webasto or Planar went into the European Road Trip fund, which is just about to he point where I can afford to ship the Bus to Belgium, but still not where I could fill the tank at €1.50/liter. Or eat. Or anything else. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

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Does the $561 webasto deal still exist or did I miss the gravy train?


$599 for a Webasto that burns gas, https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-Webasto-Air-Top-...0005.m1851


Maybe the same seller or not but here is the direct place I paid for mine at the sale price (not received yet though). Its still on sale and same price for Webasto or Eber... but I think only the Webasto is gasoline.

https://heaters4you.com/3-air-heaters
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

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shagginwagon83 wrote:
Does the $561 webasto deal still exist or did I miss the gravy train?


$599 for a Webasto that burns gas, https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-Webasto-Air-Top-...0005.m1851


Maybe the same seller or not but here is the direct place I paid for mine at the sale price (not received yet though). Its still on sale and same price for Webasto or Eber... but I think only the Webasto is gasoline.

https://heaters4you.com/3-air-heaters



Ah ha! That is the website I ordered from. No problems with delivery. Took about 2 weeks to receive.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Just a little note that both my 5k and my 2k Chinese diesel heaters have been running fine so far. The little one is parked under the rear seat in my Super Beetle right now to see if it makes sense there.

I have found that the battery has to be in good shape, fully charged when I start the heater. When the battery was low the heater would stop itself from its startup routine even when the engine was idling in the car. If I kept the rpms up there the heater would start and run fine. I have a 75 amp alternator in the SB. The next night I started with a fully charged battery and the heater started right up and ran fine for over an hour without having to start the car at all, at which point I turned it off and went to bed.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Man looks like a lot of us will be toasty warm while camping this winter.
Just that some will have paid 3 to 5 times more than the rest of us.
ZING! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

success isn't measured in costs or savings
but in reliable return of heat..

and a heater is a LONG term commitment (well unless it's a disposable Chinese unit) that a quality unit and a one fuel camper heat solution just makes cents.

I've done the dual fuel, and it's not all sunshine and posies.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone tried these $179 Webasto heater knockoffs? Reply with quote

Agreed. Even assuming it arrives complete and works fine I won't try using my $100 dice roll heater for much more than a night or 2 now and then. The German heaters are the way to go for serious use, connected to the vehicle fuel supply. We already have Propex and Eberspacher in our vans. I'm hoping to do something portable with the cheapie and at least it will give me something to fool around with.

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success isn't measured in costs or savings
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and a heater is a LONG term commitment (well unless it's a disposable Chinese unit) that a quality unit and a one fuel camper heat solution just makes cents. ....
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