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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Now there is a good option at a better price. Thanks for that! It would get the air filter out of the wheel wells too. |
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flat4olsen Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2014 Posts: 342 Location: Denmark, Europe
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Those carb-hats are going to choke your engine. They were designed for turbo applications, and are far to restrictive for a NA engine. I made something similar with even larger inlets, and lost 10 hp.
If you choose to do it anyway, make sure you use the lowest stacks you can find. That may aid the airflow inside. _________________ Type 1 1968, Lotosweiss. 2109 oxyboxer engine
Early Bay 1970, Montana Red. Under construction |
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:28 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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flat4olsen wrote: |
Those carb-hats are going to choke your engine. They were designed for turbo applications, and are far to restrictive for a NA engine. I made something similar with even larger inlets, and lost 10 hp.
If you choose to do it anyway, make sure you use the lowest stacks you can find. That may aid the airflow inside. |
Even on a mild engine that won't be run much over 5000 rpm? |
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flat4olsen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:53 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Guess it depends on, what you call mild....
Mine is 2109 with dual 44´s and a web 163 cam. This is the dyno chart with and without the carb-hats.
Again,- you might get a better result than I did, if you use really low stacks. The higher stacks may or may not have caused some kind of turbulence inside the carb-hats.
I did several dyno runs, so I am certain that the restriction was in the carb-hats and not in the air cleaner unit.
_________________ Type 1 1968, Lotosweiss. 2109 oxyboxer engine
Early Bay 1970, Montana Red. Under construction |
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flat4olsen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:59 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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These are the carb-hats used. The inlets are 2.5 inch.
_________________ Type 1 1968, Lotosweiss. 2109 oxyboxer engine
Early Bay 1970, Montana Red. Under construction |
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volksworld Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2011 Posts: 2529 Location: formerly NY currently NC
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:01 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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back to the original question...recently had issues with new webers clogging idle jets...after many years of no problems.....i believe the problem is caused by the material used on the bowl gaskets....it is a lot softer and more fibrous than the tan colored paper they used to use....and its cut a little more generously so there is more of the gasket edge exposed inside the carb.... |
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Glasser Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
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Glasser Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2007 Posts: 1640 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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I just cant see it being a dirty air problem... I'm running on dry ashfault the entire time. Today I pulled the air fuel mixture screws... shot carb cleaner in there... blew out with air and re tuned. Ran great, drove it for about 1.5 hours and by the time I got home plugged again...
Any one try these??
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/7557.htm
I haven't yet but will be pulling the tops of the carbs off and cleaning...... I'm just so limited with time I'm trying to enjoy the car while i can before the temp drops....
Man when it runs nice it's such a joy to drive... When it isn't I just want to bag on it as they only time it runs properly is when it's on the main jets 1/2 throttle or better...,,, _________________ Brent
My build up http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=265364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Project#2. Neighbors build up. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=327008 |
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air-h2o-air Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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if dirty air isnt your problem (as you state) why use the above kit? |
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Type 5 Joe Banned
Joined: January 18, 2003 Posts: 1795 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Like I said before... Clean the carbs ultra clean. No quick fix here.
Keep them clean.
Your air cleaners look old and almost dry of oil.
Use a couple good fuel filters.
Get used to dealing with this occasionally. They are Weber IDF's. _________________ If you would like to contact me, just email through one of my ads on here...
I don't use the P.M. service on here. |
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flat4olsen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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I used to have a problem with plugged idle jets. After cleaning my right carb 3 times in a week, i did the jet doctor trick. Haven’t had a plugged jet since.
I didn’t use the commercial jet doctors, but made my own from a piece of brake line epoxied in place.
_________________ Type 1 1968, Lotosweiss. 2109 oxyboxer engine
Early Bay 1970, Montana Red. Under construction |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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All I have is a 1/2 mile of gravel to the highway and dirt is a BIG issue! Even with just putting along until I hit the black top there is still a coating of fine dust on top of the carbs when I take the air cleaners off.
Not so much now with those diapers the Missus made for me.
I have zero interest in dusting this new engine, that is why the last engine is no longer in the Buggy. I will gladly sacrifice a few HP to have this one live long and happy. Don't forget the HP you lose when the cylinder walls are all scored up and your compression is under 100psi... |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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flat4olsen wrote: |
Guess it depends on, what you call mild....
Mine is 2109 with dual 44´s and a web 163 cam. This is the dyno chart with and without the carb-hats.
Again,- you might get a better result than I did, if you use really low stacks. The higher stacks may or may not have caused some kind of turbulence inside the carb-hats.
I did several dyno runs, so I am certain that the restriction was in the carb-hats and not in the air cleaner unit.
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Looking at your chart I am most likely right around that 100 hp mark and the loss there appears to be in the 2 HP range. I can live with that! |
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W1K1 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 4921 Location: Southern AB
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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flat4olsen wrote: |
These are the carb-hats used. The inlets are 2.5 inch.
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the 2.5" tube didn't work with my 1904 and 36 dells either, I changed to the 4" oval tube and a more direct air flow to the carbs. beats the heck out of the skinny Type 3 filters anyways
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Glasser Samba Member
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:35 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Keep us posted please. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20379 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:39 am Post subject: Re: New Webbers clogging air fuel screws |
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Make sure your "jet doctors" don't come out....
This is what happens when you lose a jet holder, same could happen to jet doctor...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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Glasser Samba Member
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