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Volswagon
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After two solid days of rain, I'm dying to get out there, bolt on the heater boxes, header, intake/vacuum components, and fuel line and put that Bus back in service after 9 years of sitting.
As the rain was starting, I realized I've got everything sealed up, why not fill her with oil? Brad Penn 30W that I bought from Jake's T4 Store, my how time flies.
Brilliant! Turned it through one cycle by hand in the rain.
Now I'll have 15 spiders, 5 mosquitoes per cubic foot, 115% humidity and...
fukit, it's raining again. Oh well...
They tell me that Kane, the former WWE entertainer, has been elected County Mayor. Congrats Mayor Jacobs. He's the one that didn't look taller on TV.
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SGKent 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:54 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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Truth is that Robbie has a teaching disorder - Americusteachitus or the North American teaching disorder thought to be caused by a bug bite. Early European explorers first noticed it when they began making faces while trying to teach the Native Americans to speak in English. They would say something like "Bob" and pat their chests. The Native Americans, of whom I have ancestors, would say, "How." Then the European explorer would pat their chest again and say, "No. Bob." The Native American would say, "Ugh." Little did the explorers realize that these native Americans were trying to learn.. "How" then holding a hand up meant How do you stand upright in that silly ass metal suit you are wearing? "Ugh," meant boy I sure wouldn't want to lug one of those around and polish it all the time. It was then that the expression "Rust Never Sleeps," was born. The European settlers spent years fighting with the disease, Americusteachitus. It still exists today and is most common in young gifted populations that like to spend a lot of time wandering about the states, camping outdoors. Unfortunately there is no cure, and those who have it are somewhat satisfied with the experience of teaching. They become frustrated when those whom they view to be their students play in class. Hey Skills - stop shooting rubber bands at Suzy.
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Volswagon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:58 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| SGKent wrote: |
| Hey Skills - stop shooting rubber bands are Suzy. |
Here's a tip - rubber bands fly farther if you twist them first. 
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71whitewesty
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| asiab3 wrote: |
Yeah but Tram isn't allowed to play.  Thanks for that article… It would have solved the problem.
| dumptuck wrote: |
| Idle set too low? Or maybe air/fuel mixture is too lean? |
Screwing in the idle speed screw doesn't help, mixture screw doesn't help.
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| xyzzy wrote: |
You said your oil and generator lights came on -- is this after it stalls, or while its still running? Do the lights stay on when you're revving it to keep it running?
Unplug your idle solenoid entirely -- is the problem the same/better/worse?
Plug your idle solenoid back in -- is the problem the same/better/worse?
Unscrew your idle solenoid 1/2 turn -- is the problem the same/better/worse?
P.S. Robbie thanks for doing something useful here. |
THIS is a Quality Post! Except you're quickly becoming the expert in PDSIT Solex carbs, so maybe you stay out of the carburetor games! Next week will getcha, I bet. Answers:
Same.
Same.
Same. But this would catch the issue.
Any guesses?
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Is an intake leak the same as a vacuum leak? You've got me there.
How's the timing on the engine? After you timed it did you adjust the idle speed? When you press the throttle and let go, does it immediately go back to normal idle speed? |
Yes, the same.
Timing is set to 29° max advance hoses off. Letting off the throttle results in a stall.
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I'll play! I am the exact target market this game was designed for.
My first guesses were:
adjust the idle adjustment screw
check for vacuum leak from manifold boots
make sure there is gas in the tank
check for clogged fuel filter
check the timing
I didn't think of check the solenoid, but that is a good one.
Robbie already said "no" to the manifold boots. |
Excellent effort!
Screws do nothing.
Boots replies.
Gas tank full.
Filter replaced.
Timing perfect.
Solenoid clicks, but…
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| I'm not an expert with VW, but if I'd guess, the idle needs to be adjusted. When the high idle cam on the carb moves when it warms up, the idle will drop. If your oil and alt light comes on, maybe because the rpms are too low at idle... or lack of idle. |
Correct-ish! The lights did indeed come on because of the stall. OP originally added oil and tightened the belt because Muir says to do that when the lights come on
It's important to narrow down symptoms and causes, and separate them! Nice job.
Anyone who explicitly cited instructions on how to check the idle cutoff solenoid is the winner. The solenoid was loose in the carb body.
This case study was one of my own, Circa May 2012. Buddy's first drive.
Thanks everyone who participated; see you next week!
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I’m just going to say that I knew this one. It happens to me about once a year. I know it right away now what the issue is when it happens. Just a little snugging up on the solinoid and we’re off and running again.
Thanks for the class Robbie!
Now what’s the problem if you put the retard vacuum hose on a dvda and it pulls the idle down too low and you can’t get it to run right.
New stock 1600 engine with a 34pict 3 carb.
I just figured this one out...
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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you had the hoses in the wrong spots. That or the breaker plate was frozen and not moving.
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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Damn!, tip over a beverage into my keyboard and kill my computer and look what I miss!?!  Although the forced break wasn't a bad thing
Is this a Noob only question Tram?, I know the answer but if you were planting a seed to germinate some unintended learning I'll back off and let it soak.
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OK, here's a real Stump the Chumps question.
Why does depressing the clutch pedal in a 1970 Bus require noticeably more effort with the engine idling than with the engine off? Is something wrong or have I just never noticed this until it was pointed out to me?
Clutch (LUK) has maybe 7K mines on it and works perfectly- no chatter, noise, grabbiness, or otherwise. Clutch pedal play is correct, Bowden tube sag is proper. |
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scrivyscriv
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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geez, and I thought the guys in the hangar at work are rough!
when I first joined the site, I tried to help contribute to t/s topics and participate in general.. over time I just mostly stopped because you can only speculate so much. Anyone can speculate.. Once I got a RUNNING AND DRIVING vw I was finally able to participate with real life help.
At that point there wasn't much to contribute because the "heavy hitters" with the most posts tended to hit hard at the first pitch, and I noticed that whatever help I could give had pretty much been covered.
Now the late model forum is a different beast. You have a knowledge base there that is completely underwhelming and there's a mind-blowing lack of general mechanical understanding. The bay forum peanut gallery is hilarious compared to the late model commentators.. they get downright spiteful when given advice or t/s info they don't want to hear. At least we have the dysfunctional family element here in the bay house..
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Tram
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
Damn!, tip over a beverage into my keyboard and kill my computer and look what I miss!?! Although the forced break wasn't a bad thing
Is this a Noob only question Tram?, I know the answer but if you were planting a seed to germinate some unintended learning I'll back off and let it soak.
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OK, here's a real Stump the Chumps question.
Why does depressing the clutch pedal in a 1970 Bus require noticeably more effort with the engine idling than with the engine off? Is something wrong or have I just never noticed this until it was pointed out to me?
Clutch (LUK) has maybe 7K mines on it and works perfectly- no chatter, noise, grabbiness, or otherwise. Clutch pedal play is correct, Bowden tube sag is proper. |
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I must be a noob then because I want to know the answer. Seriously. Either this is something way odd or I just never noticed it till it was pointed out to me.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| scrivyscriv wrote: |
there that is completely underwhelming and there's a mind-blowing lack of general mechanical understanding. The bay forum peanut gallery is hilarious compared to the late model commentators.. they get downright spiteful when given advice or t/s info they don't want to hear. At least we have the dysfunctional family element here in the bay house.. |
fear not, this forum is on a race to the bottom as well. it's gotten to be as bad as FaCeB00k groups with the questions...my recent favorite is "my bug just died, what do I do?"
comments ranged from tow it, to bury it
garbage in, garbage out. I mean it's like pulling teeth to get information...like "I turn the key and nothing happens" ok....does it crank? is the battery dead? or another classic is "my bus won't crank over" and after 15+ exchanges back and forth, it DOES CRANK, but won't start.
how some people make it thru life on a daily basis blows my mind.
and to your point, it's amazing how some people get all indignant when you try and help them. and ask if they did a search? forget it...they want the answer on a silver platter.....
people have ZERO problem solving skills these days. it's funny to watch their eyes roll back in their heads and watch as their brain leaks out of their ear
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| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Tram
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| scrivyscriv wrote: |
there that is completely underwhelming and there's a mind-blowing lack of general mechanical understanding. The bay forum peanut gallery is hilarious compared to the late model commentators.. they get downright spiteful when given advice or t/s info they don't want to hear. At least we have the dysfunctional family element here in the bay house.. |
fear not, this forum is on a race to the bottom as well. it's gotten to be as bad as FaCeB00k groups with the questions...my recent favorite is "my bug just died, what do I do?"
comments ranged from tow it, to bury it
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I would have said "Be thankful it wasn't the rabbit... I know I am!"
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:21 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| Tram wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
Damn!, tip over a beverage into my keyboard and kill my computer and look what I miss!?! Although the forced break wasn't a bad thing
Is this a Noob only question Tram?, I know the answer but if you were planting a seed to germinate some unintended learning I'll back off and let it soak.
| Tram wrote: |
OK, here's a real Stump the Chumps question.
Why does depressing the clutch pedal in a 1970 Bus require noticeably more effort with the engine idling than with the engine off? Is something wrong or have I just never noticed this until it was pointed out to me?
Clutch (LUK) has maybe 7K mines on it and works perfectly- no chatter, noise, grabbiness, or otherwise. Clutch pedal play is correct, Bowden tube sag is proper. |
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I must be a noob then because I want to know the answer. Seriously. Either this is something way odd or I just never noticed it till it was pointed out to me. |
The early release system moves through an arc as the cross shaft swings out towards the clutch, both the throwout bearing and pressure plate have a flat ring that makes for alot of surface area to slide upwards against as it pushes on it, when the PP is rotating the friction is broken by the constant movement. A sticky layer of clutch dust and oilyness likely adds to the reluctance to slide as well. The early carbon bearings as well as the original coated ones reduced this problem slightly, but they each have thier own issues so it's metal on metal now like it or not, or convert to the 71+ system where the bearing moves straight out.
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Tram
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| Tram wrote: |
| busdaddy wrote: |
Damn!, tip over a beverage into my keyboard and kill my computer and look what I miss!?! Although the forced break wasn't a bad thing
Is this a Noob only question Tram?, I know the answer but if you were planting a seed to germinate some unintended learning I'll back off and let it soak.
| Tram wrote: |
OK, here's a real Stump the Chumps question.
Why does depressing the clutch pedal in a 1970 Bus require noticeably more effort with the engine idling than with the engine off? Is something wrong or have I just never noticed this until it was pointed out to me?
Clutch (LUK) has maybe 7K mines on it and works perfectly- no chatter, noise, grabbiness, or otherwise. Clutch pedal play is correct, Bowden tube sag is proper. |
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I must be a noob then because I want to know the answer. Seriously. Either this is something way odd or I just never noticed it till it was pointed out to me. |
The early release system moves through an arc as the cross shaft swings out towards the clutch, both the throwout bearing and pressure plate have a flat ring that makes for alot of surface area to slide upwards against as it pushes on it, when the PP is rotating the friction is broken by the constant movement. A sticky layer of clutch dust and oilyness likely adds to the reluctance to slide as well. The early carbon bearings as well as the original coated ones reduced this problem slightly, but they each have thier own issues so it's metal on metal now like it or not, or convert to the 71+ system where the bearing moves straight out. |
So in translating that from CanEHdian to 'Murican am I correct in believing this is normal due to the design and I just never noticed it due to being mainly a Type 3 guy or being generally unobservant?
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| Tram wrote: |
So in translating that from CanEHdian to 'Murican am I correct in believing this is normal due to the design and I just never noticed it due to being mainly a Type 3 guy or being generally unobservant? |
fucking-a-right. it's what it's all aboot. go spend a few loonies on a Molson ay?
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
| Jake Raby wrote: |
| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| people have ZERO problem solving skills these days. it's funny to watch their eyes roll back in their heads and watch as their brain leaks out of their ear |
That’s why I’m running these games. Y’all can help new people learn these skills by giving constructive feedback in any thread; I’m trying to go a step farther and give them a place to practice without fucking up someone’s car. It’s a win-win, even if it sounds like I’m making a snowflake safe space. Where’s the kissy face smiley??
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Doesn’t Bentley mention lubricating the ring of early style pressure plates to prevent Tram’s problem? (The other quirk of this design is a wobbly clutch pedal for the first few drives after installing the bearing if you don’t get it dead-nuts centered in th the release fork.
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Brian
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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so is the bus running or what? lots of valuable information was given out
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:41 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - newbies welcome! |
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| Brian wrote: |
| so is the bus running or what? lots of valuable information was given out |
It was a Gedanken exercise. You should clean your Fuel Gedank if it’s been sitting for a long time.
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| scrivyscriv wrote: |
there that is completely underwhelming and there's a mind-blowing lack of general mechanical understanding. The bay forum peanut gallery is hilarious compared to the late model commentators.. they get downright spiteful when given advice or t/s info they don't want to hear. At least we have the dysfunctional family element here in the bay house.. |
fear not, this forum is on a race to the bottom as well. it's gotten to be as bad as FaCeB00k groups with the questions...my recent favorite is "my bug just died, what do I do?"
comments ranged from tow it, to bury it
garbage in, garbage out. I mean it's like pulling teeth to get information...like "I turn the key and nothing happens" ok....does it crank? is the battery dead? or another classic is "my bus won't crank over" and after 15+ exchanges back and forth, it DOES CRANK, but won't start.
how some people make it thru life on a daily .
and to your point, it's amazing how some people get all indignant when you try and help them. and ask if they did a search? forget it...they want the answer on a silver platter.....
people have ZERO problem solving skills these days. it's funny to watch their eyes roll back in their heads and watch as their brain leaks out of their ear |
This why I don’t post much anymore.....sheesh first read on basic mechanics
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SGKent
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So Robbie - here is one for you. A " VW student" asks you to help with his sunroof in a 1971 bay. He says, "I can get it to open pretty easily but trying to close it, it binds and I am afraid the cables might strip. I replaced them a couple years ago so I know they were good. I lubed it really good then and it spends most of its time garaged. We've only used the sunroof seven or eight times and it was really smooth for awhile but now it is binding. Can you teach me how to fix it? What do I need to do, and what tools do I need?
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| SGKent wrote: |
| So Robbie - here is one for you. A " VW student" asks you to help with his sunroof in a 1971 bay. He says, "I can get it to open pretty easily but trying to close it, it binds and I am afraid the cables might strip. I replaced them a couple years ago so I know they were good. I lubed it really good then and it spends most of its time garaged. We've only used the sunroof seven or eight times and it was really smooth for awhile but now it is binding. Can you teach me how to fix it? What do I need to do, and what tools do I need? |
I’ve never done one, so I’d send them to you FAQ thread. Problem solved!
I make the same promise with gas heaters- I’m happy to look at them and speculate with you off the clock to investigate, but I don’t ever hide a lack of knowledge. People can get hurt that way.
Robbie
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SGKent
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the cables need retensioning periodically. They are different lengths so they stretch different distances. When they do it cocks the roof and it binds. To fix only requires a phillip head screw driver to remove the handle, then gear, push the slider BACK a few inches to equalizer the cables, put the gear and handle back. 10 minutes max.
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