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ivwshane Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: Intake manifold gasket? |
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I ordered a complete engine gasket kit per ratwell from busdepot. However I'm not seeing the bakelite spacers in the kit like BD shows in their photo. Before I contact them, are these supposed to be in the kit? I do see 4 paper intake manifold gaskets though.
This is the victor reinz part #: 01-21925-03
UPC: 4026634000557
http://www.busdepot.com/029198009
My engine is 2.0L FI. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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they used to come in the kit. Call Bugformance and see if they have a VR kit with them in it. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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I’m pretty sure you can buy just those spacers/gaskets separately _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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At one point you just got new gaskets to use with the original phenol insulators,but later the gaskets came glued to the insulators. Maybe they are taking a step back in time? |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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It just sucks that you think you are getting one thing and you get something else. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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furgo Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2016 Posts: 944 Location: Southern Germany
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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ivwshane wrote: |
This is the victor reinz part #: 01-21925-03
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My engine is 2.0L FI. |
Your 01-21925-03 set is for a 1.7 engine with carbs. For a 2.0 FI bus I believe you need the 01-23455-05 gasket set instead.
I did some research on gasket kits a while ago for my bus, but I ended up buying an Elring set.
Victor Reinz 01-23455-05 has (or used to have) phenolic blocks:
Victor Reinz 01-21925-03 has NO phenolic blocks, but has replacement paper gaskets for them:
Conceivably, you could reuse your phenolic blocks and replace their paper gaskets with the ones you got in your kit. However, in my limited experience, a) used blocks are generally so brittle they will easily break and b) a set of two phenolic blocks is so cheap, it's not worth the time and effort of replacing the paper gasket only.
All that said...
I wish it were that simple. That might no longer apply to the gasket sets Victor Reinz sells nowadays. Looking at their most recent catalog online, it would seem that their kits no longer include the phenolic blocks:
The above is an extract from the catalog I put together. The Victor Reinz part for the kit is on the first column. The rest of the columns show the part number of the individual gaskets in the kit. _________________ '79 Westy, P22 interior, FI 2.0 l Federal, GE engine (hydraulic lifters)
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ivwshane Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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Thanks for the info. I received the phenolic from busdepot today but they don't have the gasket pre glued to it. Do I need to glue them to the phenolic spaces or does everything go on dry? _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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Dry is fine. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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ivwshane Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Dry is fine. |
Thank you kindly! _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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thewalrus Big Jack
Joined: March 27, 2006 Posts: 3014 Location: Belchertown, MA
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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I removed the original VW manifold gasket that was 3/16" thick. The replacement gasket in the BD kit were just thin, pressed metal:
http://www.busdepot.com/021129707d
The kit included 4 gaskets so, do I just double up the metal gaskets? I cannot find a 3/16" thick manifold gasket on any other part sites also. _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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thewalrus wrote: |
I removed the original VW manifold gasket that was 3/16" thick. The replacement gasket in the BD kit were just thin, pressed metal:
http://www.busdepot.com/021129707d
The kit included 4 gaskets so, do I just double up the metal gaskets? I cannot find a 3/16" thick manifold gasket on any other part sites also. |
The thick insulator is for FI, carbs use a single metal gasket to conduct heat into the manifolds. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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thewalrus Big Jack
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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The thicker gaskets are for F.I.? That seems weird because I removed this gasket from between the carbs and the top of intake tubes:
This is 3/16" thick and has VW markings on it. The engine had never been removed before also. _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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Oh, that's a carb base gasket, you said "manifold gasket", you'll need new isolators, or cut fresh paper gaskets and glue them to the phenolic spacer. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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udidwht Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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As a general rule:
With aftermarket manifolds....do not use the stock metal gaskets.
With the fiber gaskets use some Chapstick on each side to prevent them from sticking when time to remove them. _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
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thewalrus Big Jack
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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It's a stock manifold and completely stock setup. I'm just looking for a carb base gasket. _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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raygreenwood Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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thewalrus wrote: |
The thicker gaskets are for F.I.? That seems weird because I removed this gasket from between the carbs and the top of intake tubes:
This is 3/16" thick and has VW markings on it. The engine had never been removed before also. |
It seems weird but its but. The thick spacer. On the EFI gaskets...made of phenolic plastic ( bakelite).....is not there for heat insulation. There is "0" need for a heat insulator on the efi runners because the injector does not contact the runner anywhere. Its fully suspended by its rubber o-rings.
Its a spacer. Its designed to hold the runners at the correct height for the center manifold as well as insure that the spray cone from the injector is spaced correctly from the valve and centered correctly in the port.
As BD mentioned....yes.....you can put the gaskets on dry.....but only dry between the outside of the gasket and the head. The gasket itself works far better when adhered to the phenolic spacer with a thin layer of adhesive/sealant. Ray |
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thewalrus Big Jack
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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Just for clarity, the gasket I took a picture of above is the gasket on the TOP of the intake pipes:
Is this just a spacer? Can I reuse it? _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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thewalrus wrote: |
Is this just a spacer? Can I reuse it? |
It's an assembly of parts, a spacer with a gasket glued to each side. If the gaskets are not torn and still have a little give you can reuse them, or buy a sheet of gasket paper from your FLAPS and make some fresh ones. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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thewalrus Big Jack
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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busdaddy wrote: |
If the gaskets are not torn and still have a little give you can reuse them, or buy a sheet of gasket paper from your FLAPS and make some fresh ones. |
Perfect! Thanks Busdaddy _________________ '73 Transporter 1.7L Dual Carb
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Intake manifold gasket? |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
thewalrus wrote: |
The thicker gaskets are for F.I.? That seems weird because I removed this gasket from between the carbs and the top of intake tubes:
This is 3/16" thick and has VW markings on it. The engine had never been removed before also. |
It seems weird but its but. The thick spacer. On the EFI gaskets...made of phenolic plastic ( bakelite).....is not there for heat insulation. There is "0" need for a heat insulator on the efi runners because the injector does not contact the runner anywhere. Its fully suspended by its rubber o-rings.
Its a spacer. Its designed to hold the runners at the correct height for the center manifold as well as insure that the spray cone from the injector is spaced correctly from the valve and centered correctly in the port.
As BD mentioned....yes.....you can put the gaskets on dry.....but only dry between the outside of the gasket and the head. The gasket itself works far better when adhered to the phenolic spacer with a thin layer of adhesive/sealant. Ray |
Colder air equals more power, the gaskets are there to insulate the runners from the heads. If what you claim is true, the VW engineers would have made the manifolds a bit difference in shape and saved a dime or two per car by eliminating the expense of the phenolic insulator. |
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