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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:02 pm Post subject: 1971 shifter rod question |
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I am in the process of replace the shifter for my '71 bus. I have received some parts that i cannot seem to figure where they go. They are not present on the shifter rod when i pulled it out. see pic. pic are of the rod and the 3 pieces i cannot place.
_________________ '71 Westy
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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I believe the clear piece on the far right is for a different year (74-79) according to another post. what about the bushing in the middle and the black piece? _________________ '71 Westy
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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Yes, the extra bushings are for other models and years of VWs. For some reason, parts suppliers can’t seem to figure out how to separate the bushings. I’ve asked four different suppliers to stop this, and the response is always “oh ok we’ll look into it.”
I guess they’ve been looking for two years now... Find a friend with a bug (left) and late bus (right) and have fun playing Santa Claus
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Yes, the extra bushings are for other models and years of VWs. For some reason, parts suppliers can’t seem to figure out how to separate the bushings. I’ve asked four different suppliers to stop this, and the response is always “oh ok we’ll look into it.”
I guess they’ve been looking for two years now... Find a friend with a bug (left) and late bus (right) and have fun playing Santa Claus
Robbie |
Awesome thanks. Any idea what that little black piece on the left is? _________________ '71 Westy
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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AhnwS71 wrote: |
Awesome thanks. Any idea what that little black piece on the left is? |
Looks like the front guide bushing for 68-72, it goes in the front of the pipe bowl. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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new issue now. Any tricks for getting the shift rod back into the guide tube with the bushing on? I got the first one in no problem. Trying to get the second one (front bushing) into the guide tube has proved to be a challenge. _________________ '71 Westy
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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AhnwS71 wrote: |
new issue now. Any tricks for getting the shift rod back into the guide tube with the bushing on? I got the first one in no problem. Trying to get the second one (front bushing) into the guide tube has proved to be a challenge. |
The rear section goes in and slides forward until it emerges. The front section goes in and the two slide together at which point the grub screw is aligned, tightened and safety wired. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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In the pic, it says that the bushing with the metal ring inside is the REAR of rear shift rod bushing. My shift rod seams to be the opposite. that one fits toward the front of the rear shit rod.
_________________ '71 Westy
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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read - http://www.type2.com/rvanness/transmis.htm _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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SGKent wrote: |
AhnwS71 wrote: |
new issue now. Any tricks for getting the shift rod back into the guide tube with the bushing on? I got the first one in no problem. Trying to get the second one (front bushing) into the guide tube has proved to be a challenge. |
The rear section goes in and slides forward until it emerges. The front section goes in and the two slide together at which point the grub screw is aligned, tightened and safety wired. |
Sorry let me re-phrase this: I have advanced the rear shift rod into the guide tube to the point of the front bushing on the rear shift rod. But I cannot get the front rear bushing (211-711-179) into the guide tube while in place on the rod. Any suggestions how to get it to slide into the guide tube? _________________ '71 Westy
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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Did you ramrod the tube bore and clean it before installing the shift rod? Did you also ram rod the tube with a greased rag to lube it?
I've installed many shift rods and never had a problem. Did you get the alignment pins to fit into the holes on the rod? The rear birdie is different from the front birdie. One has less pins than the other. Plus I usually need to take channel locks and squeeze the pins into the holes in the rod. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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aeromech wrote: |
Did you ramrod the tube bore and clean it before installing the shift rod? Did you also ram rod the tube with a greased rag to lube it?
I've installed many shift rods and never had a problem. Did you get the alignment pins to fit into the holes on the rod? The rear birdie is different from the front birdie. One has less pins than the other. Plus I usually need to take channel locks and squeeze the pins into the holes in the rod. |
I did not clean out the tube. I did clean the shifter rod real well and re-greased it as I slid it back into the guide tube. I did get the bushing's (birdie) tabs squeezed into the slots on the shifter rod (front has 2 tabs back has 1). I will squeeze with a channel lock to be sure before I try again. the rear bushing slid into the guide tube with no problem. The problem seems to be that the open side of the front bushing will not fit into the guide tube. the birdie keeps trying to spread open when trying to push into the guide tube. I will try to put a zip tie around it to keep it closed completely to decrease the openness of the bushing. Once I get the tip in, I will cut of the zip tie and slide it in completely. _________________ '71 Westy
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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Is it too late to clean the tube? These get some dirt and gummed up grease in them. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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You’re installing from the rear, correct? Installing from the front IS possible but takes me about four times as much cussing.
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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aeromech wrote: |
Is it too late to clean the tube? These get some dirt and gummed up grease in them. |
No it is not installed completely yet so I can go back and clean the tube. but it is getting caught up on the bushing, it slides in and out of the guide just fine. _________________ '71 Westy
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AhnwS71 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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asiab3 wrote: |
You’re installing from the rear, correct? Installing from the front IS possible but takes me about four times as much cussing.
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No, I am installing from the front. I did not want to have to remove the engine and transmission. I can see how getting the bushing into the guide tube would be wwwaaaaayyyyy easier from the rear. _________________ '71 Westy
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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AhnwS71 wrote: |
asiab3 wrote: |
You’re installing from the rear, correct? Installing from the front IS possible but takes me about four times as much cussing.
Robbie |
No, I am installing from the front. I did not want to have to remove the engine and transmission. I can see how getting the bushing into the guide tube would be wwwaaaaayyyyy easier from the rear. |
oh what a challenge you have ahead of you. My prayers are with you. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Yes, the extra bushings are for other models and years of VWs. For some reason, parts suppliers can’t seem to figure out how to separate the bushings. I’ve asked four different suppliers to stop this, and the response is always “oh ok we’ll look into it.”
I guess they’ve been looking for two years now... Find a friend with a bug (left) and late bus (right) and have fun playing Santa Claus
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I have no problems with having a few extra parts left over in a kit as it is cheaper for the suppliers to have one kit that fits many years and models verse multiple kits. I would certainly like to see the third "birdie" included in the kit and not have to be bought otherwise. Also if there were multiple kits you would be shipped the wrong one time and time again, don't want to go there myself.
Of course I would like it if all the kits were worth installing, but that would be to much to hope for. |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1971 shifter rod question |
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Sorry dude but I don't see how that's possible. The end of the shift rod is bigger than the tube, isn't it?
1972 bus
I know others are different but I still don't think the coupler boss will slide from front to back _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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