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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: Start but no idle |
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Last weekend I drop one head to replace broken exhaust stud and to resolve my problem of exhaust leak and backfire
at the same time I install new plug ,cap,rotor,contact braker,wires
change the brake check valve (very old)
when everything was reinstall I start the engine start ok but i have to keep the trottle because engine die
and i heard some little backfire comming from tthe air cleaner
no good throttle at all
when i push the throttle start low for 1-2 sec then start to go hi
shit before the job everything was running great
idle was steddy at 850
no i check wires 1-4-3-2 was ok
look for vacuum leak see nothing
where i'm suppose to begin my recherche _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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check the dwell and timing again.
also check each wire again to be sure two aren't swapped. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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Look for vacuum hoses left off. Is the plug connected to the AFM? |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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ok have to check
afm plug
wire again
vacuum hose left off
but for dwell and timing i cant my engine die at idle if I let the throttle and I have to play continuously with the throttle to keep it alive _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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afm plug off will definitely cause issues _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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afm plug is there
recheck fire order at cap 1-4-3-2 rotor pointing 1 at TDC
3 vacuum leak possibility
hose brake work on it
intake manifold at injector 3-4 unbolt for head work
intake manifold boot 3-4 undo to work on head
what do you think _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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afm pluged
firing order 1-4-3-2- recheck rotor pointing 1 at tdc
vacuum leak 3 possibility
brake hose work for change check valve
manifold intake at injector unbolt to work on head
manifold boot undo to work on head
what do you think _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51156 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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Was the distributor moved during the repair?
Is the TS2 secure and plugged in?
Any black smoke when it's running? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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ts2 was reinstall on the head after work and i check for omhs
the distributor was remove to remove the tin and i forget to mark it but for installation i put the engine at tdc 0 on scale open the valve cover and check 2 valve on 1 cyl loose
put the distributor in with rotor pointing no 1
i think i move the engine with no distributor in when i do the job is it important? _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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Well it runs so you must have gotten it back in OK, but if the timing is retarded too much it may not idle. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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the engine run like it's completely out of timing
no idle no power little backfire in intake
if timing is retarded how can i replace it with and engine that run like that
cant work with my timing light with the engine running like that
how about a major vacuum leak does the engine was running like that _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection
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busdaddy Samba Member
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: START BUT NO IDLE |
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Thank you Busdaddy
tomorrow i'll check for vacuum leak all around _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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is it possible that the timing is off enough to not be able to idle just because a change the breaker point
and how can i check the timing with no idle _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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yes - put the timing light on it and have someone crank it over for you. See where the light is when it flashes. Set it to around 5 to 8 BTDC +/- to start and adjust it once it starts. Check the dwell angle before you do because if you adjust the points afterwards it will change the timing. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2745 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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WESTYJACK wrote: |
is it possible that the timing is off enough to not be able to idle just because a change the breaker point
and how can i check the timing with no idle |
Yes because worn points will be opening and closing at different time to new points.
Set new points gap correctly.
Set static timing by rotating engine to point at the timing marker. Switch on ignition and check that the points are just opening using a test light. Loosen distributor clamp and rotate distributor nmtil the points just open and close.
The engine should run in that condition, if you try to crank it, allowing you to check dwell angle and timing.
If it will not start check again for leaks : inlet manifold not properly flat on head may be a problem.
If you want to try starting the engine while you are looking at it, rig a remote starter switch in the engine bay. Sometimes I use one of these and simply rotate the distributor slowly until it starts while cranking with the remote starter switch. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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Thanks guys
iI have a remote starter install permanently in engine bay
so gonna try this an report _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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thanks guys
remote starter install in engine bay
let me try this an report back _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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WESTYJACK Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2017 Posts: 266 Location: LAVAL,QC CANADA
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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update
ok found a vacuum leak a the t fitting where the brake hose connect
t was cracked
now the engine run much better then yesterday but no idle at all
I dont have to play with the throttle to keep it alive and i can stay my foot on the pedal and keep it at 950 rpm steady
now i have to check the timing
check with the timing light with the starter no engine
i have no idle
is it right
my dwell is 60 suppose to be new 44-50
to open ? set with filler gauge at 016 _________________ VW bus type 2 1978 transplant engine 1975 1800cc fuel injection |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Start but no idle |
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use Google translate. When you do put the French in and let it translate to English. Then put the English back in and let it translate to French. Do this until you are sure you are saying what you want to.
utiliser Google Translate. Lorsque vous mettez le français et laissez-le traduire en anglais. Ensuite, remettez l'anglais et laissez-le traduire en français. Faites-le jusqu'à ce que vous soyez sûr de dire ce que vous voulez. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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