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Bob Brugge Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2015 Posts: 721 Location: Missoula, MT
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:56 pm Post subject: A million paint and body questions |
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Hi All, This will be more interactive than most posts. I love to paint, always have. I want to learn how to paint a car. Thats where the million questions come in, but we will get to them.
I am currently painting all of my mostly rusty chrome semi gloss black. I have my bumper and head light rings done and they look great. I just did a rim and it looks great, but...
I intend to paint my hubcaps black as well. I am thinking of masking off the vw logo and leaving it chrome for just a little pop. I used a decent sealer primer after sanding the rust down to shiny metal, then I doused it liberally with wax and tar remover, then wiped it down again after it dried. Then I shot both sides of the rim with high heat engine semi gloss black. Since the brakes generate heat, I hope it will be tough enough. The problem is how easy the paint is to scratch. I put maybe 5 coats of black over three coats of primer sealer and the lugs still scored the paint. Will heat from the brakes cure the paint and make it more durable?
My concern is that the hubcaps are going to scratch the fudge out of my new paint. I put two extra heavy coats on the bumps that keep the hubcaps on. Thinking about seeing if I can find those clear plastic circles they use to tape small boxes together.
I know epoxy paint would give me a more durable finish but I lack the tools and experience to not screw that up
What are my options? _________________ Keep on Dubbin'! |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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... am no expert, but have been painting my VWs for going on 50 years - here's our '54. I painted it in 2013... wheels are Kraylon gloss black and the chrome hub caps were painted with some off. off brand gloss black synthetic enamell, same as the whole car, 3 coats and, to date the paint is holdin' up well.
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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theKbStockpiler Samba Member
Joined: July 07, 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Rust Belt
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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If the rims are in good condition it would be worth it to powder coat them. _________________ My beetle is not competing with your beetle. I have the yellow beetle in my town. There is a red one, a green one ......
Use all safety devices including a mask. |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5156
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:23 am Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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One of your issues is that you are using non-catalyzed paint. It will never be as tough as a two part paint.
Secondly.....when you grind metal together there is nothing in the world really that will prevent it from scraping the finish off. Certain things like powder coating is more durable....but at the end of the day you are grinding metal together.. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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theKbStockpiler wrote: |
If the rims are in good condition it would be worth it to powder coat them. |
probably so, but i'm way to much of a cheapo for that. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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jspbtown wrote: |
One of your issues is that you are using non-catalyzed paint. It will never be as tough as a two part paint.
Secondly.....when you grind metal together there is nothing in the world really that will prevent it from scraping the finish off. Certain things like powder coating is more durable....but at the end of the day you are grinding metal together.. |
... you sound knowledgeable and I admit, I am not, but I don't really care about all of those details for longevity... painted a 1952 Zwitter in 1974 with single stage and still looks fine... so?
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7391
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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Did you spray an epoxy primer first? Google epoxy primer for chrome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPce2Wjshw
A two part paint would be better. You can get them in rattle cans (Spraymax), but they are not cheap at 25 per can and you must use a good breathing and safety protection.
A cheap rattle can enamel will only do so much. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Did you spray an epoxy primer first? Google epoxy primer for chrome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dPce2Wjshw
A two part paint would be better. You can get them in rattle cans (Spraymax), but they are not cheap at 25 per can and you must use a good breathing and safety protection.
A cheap rattle can enamel will only do so much. |
No epoxy primer first, on the chrome hub caps. Not primed at all, in fact.
... Again, i'm no expert, I just follow my instincts and everything seems to work fine. LOL, once roller-painted a bus with a water soluble house-paint and it lasted for years - everyone told me, it would not last.
Makes sense that a 2 part paint would be better - if I ever feel, I need a better paint, i'll try the Spraymax - so far, so good though... am justa' cheap-ass. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5156
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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painted a 1952 Zwitter in 1974 with single stage |
Single stage is catalyzed. Rattle can is not (generally).
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and it lasted for years |
But you weren't rubbing it against another VW right? |
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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7391
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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Cheap ass and paint quality usually are not a match.
Single stage black is still used today on some new cars. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: A million paint and body questions |
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74 Thing wrote: |
Cheap ass and paint quality usually are not a match. |
... ... it'll have to do. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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