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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15129 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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don't listen to Casey an EV is inferior to a vanagon in every way except the power plant..
and it's significantly easier to upgrade a vanagon powerplant to suit your needs and desires than get any extra interior space in a cramped EV.
I'm not just talking out my ass.. like Casey I have owned both. but I don't like that flavor of cool aid..
that's why we put a EV 5cyl into my mom's 86 vanagon.
and a passat 1.8T into my formerly air cooled van.
no one says.. nice minivan man.. _________________
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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It would be way easier to install an AEB into a T4 than a T3. Almost plug n' play. I daily drive a T3 around town and love it very much, but out on the open road, the T4 is king. Lots of creature comforts that budget minded T3 owners can only dream of, and the '93 models are a downright bargain relative to any Westfalia T3s. I totally get the T3 mystique, but at my age I'm mostly concerned about where the rubber hits the road. I'll continue to putter around town in my quirky T3, but when we want to wander to destinations beyond, the T4 is our go-to machine. No contest. At. All. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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jimf909 Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 7404 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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dabaron wrote: |
it's about the journey and connecting with my kids in a way that those other ways to enjoy the great outdoors doesn't foster.
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I'll recommend challenging yourself on this assumption. Countless millions have done what you describe w/out a Vanagon. If you want a Vanagon because you like it then say so. If you want to connect with your kids take the $8K, throw the kids in the back of the Subie and hit the woods.
FWIW, YMMV. _________________ - Jim
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6379 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
It would be way easier to install an AEB into a T4 than a T3. Almost plug n' play. I daily drive a T3 around town and love it very much, but out on the open road, the T4 is king. Lots of creature comforts that budget minded T3 owners can only dream of, and the '93 models are a downright bargain relative to any Westfalia T3s. I totally get the T3 mystique, but at my age I'm mostly concerned about where the rubber hits the road. I'll continue to putter around town in my quirky T3, but when we want to wander to destinations beyond, the T4 is our go-to machine. No contest. At. All. |
Not just mystique, let's do some Jeepage. 😂👍🏼😂 _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6379 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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jimf909 wrote: |
dabaron wrote: |
it's about the journey and connecting with my kids in a way that those other ways to enjoy the great outdoors doesn't foster.
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I'll recommend challenging yourself on this assumption. Countless millions have done what you describe w/out a Vanagon. If you want a Vanagon because you like it then say so. If you want to connect with your kids take the $8K, throw the kids in the back of the Subie and hit the woods.
FWIW, YMMV. |
I only very rarely discourage a potential buyer... in fact don't think I ever have... but in this case, and with your budget, I'm afraid I agree with Jim on this.
Ours cost $8.000 in 2013 for a rough Westy, and another ten in short order. If you really are willing to learn working on it, I revert part of my discouragement, just would hate you spending the wad and feeling bad if it doesn't work out -- future issues and expense-wise.
If my decision I'd call Tex's Teardrops and get a mondo trailer from him. Guy is Real Deal and not greedy so way below market on really sweet rigs! Just thought...
(Provided you have enough power to pull it, 150 hp or so should do it)
Totally respect your wanting to create memories for your kids, Goodonya!!! And by the way, we're career backpackers, too. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
— Colin Chapman
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16474 Location: Brookeville, MD
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elizer Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2016 Posts: 1450 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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If 8k is the max lump sum you can do right now, but you can put in a $500 here and there afterward it might work. But for 8k you might end up spending more time fixing it than actually spending time with the kids and camping. Its a gamble and you probably already know this by all your searches of what is in the 8k range. |
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greggarthurevans Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2018 Posts: 165 Location: Cleveland
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:14 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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elizer wrote: |
If 8k is the max lump sum you can do right now, but you can put in a $500 here and there afterward it might work. But for 8k you might end up spending more time fixing it than actually spending time with the kids and camping. Its a gamble and you probably already know this by all your searches of what is in the 8k range. |
Ive never been sad that I kept looking.
This is especially true for Vanagons and wives. Its got to feel like "oh man I'm glad I saved myself."
I just picked of a very well running Hightop that I love for $7,000 in Humboldt CA. Worth a plane ticket to pick it up and luckily my wife drove it from CA to OH without a prob. (I got the details in my blog below. ) _________________ Thank you all for babysitting me as I live my samba dreams. I will do my best to pay it forward......someday. |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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jimf909 wrote: |
I'll recommend challenging yourself on this assumption. Countless millions have done what you describe w/out a Vanagon. If you want a Vanagon because you like it then say so. If you want to connect with your kids take the $8K, throw the kids in the back of the Subie and hit the woods.
FWIW, YMMV. |
we have car camped many times. i grew up car camping. i know it can be done with out a Vanagon, i have done it for nearly 46 years. i don't have to justify myself, but i have stated in this thread that i want one and why. i have denied myself many things i want over the years, it's part of being a responsible adult. i'm now at a point in my life that the convergence of my wants and the needs of my children can work together. |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4485 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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dabaron wrote: |
jimf909 wrote: |
I'll recommend challenging yourself on this assumption. Countless millions have done what you describe w/out a Vanagon. If you want a Vanagon because you like it then say so. If you want to connect with your kids take the $8K, throw the kids in the back of the Subie and hit the woods.
FWIW, YMMV. |
we have car camped many times. i grew up car camping. i know it can be done with out a Vanagon, i have done it for nearly 46 years. i don't have to justify myself, but i have stated in this thread that i want one and why. i have denied myself many things i want over the years, it's part of being a responsible adult. i'm now at a point in my life that the convergence of my wants and the needs of my children can work together. |
Deferred gratification is a sign of maturity; waiting until age 30 to buy a motorcycle, for instance, or waiting until more work is done on a fixer upper home in retirement before buying another one. Good for you. In case you decide to consider a T4 but still want a Weekender, look at this one. Dead A/C might be a dealbreaker here in the muggy East.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/cto/d/classic-vw-eurovan-mv/6670556542.html
Classic VW Eurovan MV Weekender (pop-top van) 1993 - $4500 (Columbia Heights)
1323 Harvard St. NW
1993 VW Eurovan me Weekender poptop
condition: fair
cylinders: 5 cylinders
drive: fwd
fuel: gas
odometer: 215000
paint color: white
size: full-size
title status: clean
transmission: automatic
type: other
For sale, classic 1993 Eurovan Weekender. Good shape for a 25 year old vehicle. Just went to old rag, and back with no issues. Sleeps four.
The good:
* Drives well; handles great.
* Cool vehicle.
* Body does not appear to have Seam rot.
* Everyone loves it.
* Transmission recently rebuilt (County Transmission in Vienna); Suspension recently replaced (Auto Tech Services in DC).
* Makes an awesome summertime portable sauna if you leave the windows closed. - good for your health.
The not so bad:
* Pop top Seal needs replacing ($100ish & 1/2 hour.)
* Radio re wiring needed. (Memory power disconnected)
* Ac is dead.
* Heater core leak? (Might be a hose)
* Idle air controller brains need sorting: Idles OK, but this is without AC. Recommend sorting prior to AC.
* Non critical plastic trim.
The deal:
This is a classic, but it needs restoration, or at least an in depth servicing.
I have been using it for years, but no longer have the time/patience to deal. Something something kids.
If you want to talk, email me and I will call you back.
Best offer by August 21st _________________ '87 Westy in Wolfram Grey Metallic |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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dobryan wrote: |
Your budget is maxed for now but that will change as time goes on. Get in the game. |
i have reached out to the seller, awaiting a reply. this fits my expectations perfectly. usable but needs some work. if it can pass state inspections with just a little work, all the better.
appreciate the encouragement. |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4485 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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Good luck! We bought one that was good enough for a shakedown camping trip the very next weekend, and good enough for an already-planned thousand mile weeklong trip the following Labor Day weekend. _________________ '87 Westy in Wolfram Grey Metallic |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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E1 wrote: |
If you really are willing to learn working on it, I revert part of my discouragement, just would hate you spending the wad and feeling bad if it doesn't work out -- future issues and expense-wise.
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i think my expectations are in line with my budget and abilities. a Vanagon is first a 30 year old vehicle, then a cool camper. i am expecting some systems will need immediate attention (FUEL LINES!!!) and those are already budgeted (and in my busdepot and vancafe carts).
i'm not naive, i understand that things will break, i will cuss, and money will be spent. i think my purchase price cap represents a good balance between a good running van that needs some attention and the amount of work required to address the issues.
my dream is not for a showroom Vanagon, it's for one that has character, signs of use, and signs of being loved. it will get dirty, it will get dents and scrapes, it will be driven by my sons.
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elizer Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2016 Posts: 1450 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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Worth taking a look. Hits a lot of marks. But no A/c or any bits and some body damage. The arb awning and road shower is a bonus if you get it in the deal.
https://yupyi.com/details.php?id=18003796 |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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elizer wrote: |
Worth taking a look. Hits a lot of marks. But no A/c or any bits and some body damage. The arb awning and road shower is a bonus if you get it in the deal.
https://yupyi.com/details.php?id=18003796 |
that looks like a scam. states it's in MA but there is no inspection sticker on the windshield, no front plate, and those photos are not from MA. |
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elizer Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2016 Posts: 1450 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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Could be a scam or a guy who is pricing his van realistically. Saw a couple that looked suspicious and didn't post them here.
Give it a shot or not. Good luck with your searches. |
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SyncroHead Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2005 Posts: 1139 Location: Northern Nevada
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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For descriptions of the Vanagon models sold in the USA check out:
http://www.vanagons.org/
Still missing the 1982-1985 years, but otherwise quite complete source of information on what your choices/models are.
Jim _________________ "A Vanagon? It's not a car or a van. It's a hobby!"
Check out:
www.VANAVATION.com
www.SyncroSafari.org and
www.Vanagons.org
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I have *no* idea what the previous owner carried in his Westy... angry donkeys? |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Vanagon |
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SyncroHead wrote: |
For descriptions of the Vanagon models sold in the USA check out:
http://www.vanagons.org/
Still missing the 1982-1985 years, but otherwise quite complete source of information on what your choices/models are.
Jim |
thanks. i love the brochures. i've settled on the "weekender" interior configuration. camp cooking typically happens over a fire or in a dutch oven. mmmmm apple cobbler..... |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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