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Thompson2
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 Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| those brackets under the battery look suspiciously like cot brackets that go on a and b pillars although they are usually it raw metal not painted black IIRC |
Door check strap brackets. |
Good thing we weren’t taking bets... we’d all lose..
They’re horrible plastic nonsense... into the bin with them...
On the upside, where they were screwed in is solid. Actually took some effort to get them out. |
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:42 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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The seam sealer that does the best job is in a tube, like what goes in a caulk gun. Unfortunately you have to buy a whole tube, and then use only a tiny fraction of it.
Try to find some that comes in a small toothpaste size tube. The brush-on kind is not what you want there. It just makes a mess. You want a neat bead of it.
I'd look online. |
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crofty
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| BarryL wrote: |
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| those brackets under the battery look suspiciously like cot brackets that go on a and b pillars although they are usually it raw metal not painted black IIRC |
Door check strap brackets. |
Nope. Door check brackets have a different profile.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211841389
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Got the fuel sending unit rebuilt last night. Went pretty easily if you just follow the step-by-step (I think it was in the Bay section). I should really post a link here too. Super easy. Went from 15 ohms with the float at the top to around 4... should be all better now. Gauge never read completely full but worked otherwise.
I hadn't yet re-inspected the tank after the Ospho treatment, so this was my first peek at it... not sure it did what I wanted it to do... and did it ruin the factory coating (or was never a coating, just an optical illusion)?
It looks like (and I've not verified it yet) that there are bits of stuff in there now where it was all smooth and happy before.
Pretty sure I should rethink the strategy... factory manual says to mix the p.a. with water and fill the tank with the solution. Anyone tried that before? It's a 10:1, so I'd have to pick up a gallon on my way home tonight... Might give a more uniform treatment.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Think you needed to use more phosphoric acid than you did or needed to shake it around better. Looks like there is flash rust in the right of your image.
Filling the tank with the other stuff is for really bad rust.
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| Think you needed to use more phosphoric acid than you did or needed to shake it around better. Looks like there is flash rust in the right of your image. |
Yeah, I didn't use a lot since there wasn't much rust to start with.
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| Filling the tank with the other stuff is for really bad rust. |
Which other stuff? The water/phosphoric acid mix? That's what's mentioned in the manual under Rust Removal (or something like that) in the fuel system section specifically for treating a rusty tank. Or are you talking about something else entirely? |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| Thompson2 wrote: |
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| Filling the tank with the other stuff is for really bad rust. |
Which other stuff? The water/phosphoric acid mix? That's what's mentioned in the manual under Rust Removal (or something like that) in the fuel system section specifically for treating a rusty tank. Or are you talking about something else entirely? |
Sorry was thinking the Muratic Acid.
Pretty sure the phosphate agent, Antox Extra M, was a concentrated (maybe dry) chemical that needed to be mixed with water.
If you add normal liquid phosphoric acid with water it is very likely to rust up again.
Better to use about 1.5 to 2 cups of phosphoric acid instead to get a good coating.
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Filling the tank with the other stuff is for really bad rust. |
Which other stuff? The water/phosphoric acid mix? That's what's mentioned in the manual under Rust Removal (or something like that) in the fuel system section specifically for treating a rusty tank. Or are you talking about something else entirely? |
Sorry was thinking the Muratic Acid.
Pretty sure the phosphate agent, Antox Extra M, was a concentrated (maybe dry) chemical that needed to be mixed with water.
If you add normal liquid phosphoric acid with water it is very likely to rust up again.
Better to use about 1.5 to 2 cups of phosphoric acid instead to get a good coating. |
I've got a bottle of Ospho, so that should be okay I think. I'll not skimp tonight to see if it looks better when it' all done. |
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Throw a length of chain in there tonight when you shake it around with the other stuff in it. It should dislodge that crystallized stuff, whatever it is.
I have some Picklex if you want to apply that instead. Just a fog of it through the sender hole is probably sufficient. More than that will just result in a similar mess to what you have now. |
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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More Ospho and a bag of 200 stainless set screws that I always wondered what use I was actually going to have for...
Much better....
Oh - one note for those who haven’t been into one of these before - there are baffles on each end to keep gas from sloshing around too much as you go around corners... so if you decide to stuff a towel down the neck to soak up extra phosphoric acid, be prepared to spend some extra time fishing the damn thing out... or at least that’s what I’ve heard... 
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| That looks good. That should work fine for the rest of your lifetime. |
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Gas tank made it back in yesterday. Dumb question on the felt pads - WW sells them in a 10 pack, but I could only really find homes for 8 (4 underneath at the ends and 4 to keep the straps from digging into,the tank)... so where do the other 2 belong! Or are they extras for a different application?
And the engine is ready to go back in. Made sure the generator brushes were in reasonable shape and moving well in the holders, got all the tins back on properly and cleaned out some oily buildup on the fins on one of the jugs. It’ll need attention later, but should be good until I can get to it...
Question on the oil bath air filter - manual only says to clean the bottom half... is that best practice for an unknown filter or should I wash the element in the top half before it goes back in!? If so, what’s the recommendation for doing that? Gentle detergent soak or kill everything with brake cleaner?
Thanks! And she’s close...so close... to being on the road again... just in time to hibernate in the garage to avoid the rain...
And hopefully this winter or early next year, the rust repairs can start... |
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:11 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Question on the oil bath air filter...should I wash the element in the top half before it goes back in!? If so, what’s the recommendation for doing that?
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Bring it over to Major Woody's place this weekend and soak/flush it using the parts washer. Then blow clean with compressed air. Douche it with light oil and reassemble.
If the oily buildup was at #3, good chance you need to renew the oil cooler seals next time you have the engine out. |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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If the air cleaner element is not all coated till clogged up with gunk on the bottom, would just fill it and go. It is self cleaning. Check out the 1960-64 replacement OM for more info.
Would avoid brake cleaner, it may remove paint.
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| Thompson2 wrote: |
Question on the oil bath air filter...should I wash the element in the top half before it goes back in!? If so, what’s the recommendation for doing that?
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Bring it over to Major Woody's place this weekend and soak/flush it using the parts washer. Then blow clean with compressed air. Douche it with light oil and reassemble. |
I would have taken you up on that, but I was under the weather all weekend... I cleaned up all the sheet metal bits and did a very scientific test to see if the filter element was plugged... blew the exhaust of a shop vac through it to see if the "note" of the motor changed at all.. it didn't so I'm saying it's probably good enough for this monster of a motor.
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| If the oily buildup was at #3, good chance you need to renew the oil cooler seals next time you have the engine out. |
Pretty sure it was, although the pic I took was horrible. I thought I'd captured enough of the motor to figure out which cylinder it was, but alas, I did not... It's either #3 or #2...
And next time I have the motor out, I'm planning to go through all the seals and get rid of some of the pesky drips I'm getting. Valve cover gaskets are really high on that list since both heater boxes are pretty saturated... |
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| If the air cleaner element is not all coated till clogged up with gunk on the bottom, would just fill it and go. It is self cleaning. Check out the 1960-64 replacement OM for more info. |
So I had seen the maintenance procedure (Bentley and the OM agree) but I’ve not found “the mark” that they refer to when refilling it with oil. I assumed it’s the step in the lower portion since there was no actual mark on the housing. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| If the air cleaner element is not all coated till clogged up with gunk on the bottom, would just fill it and go. It is self cleaning. Check out the 1960-64 replacement OM for more info. |
So I had seen the maintenance procedure (Bentley and the OM agree) but I’ve not found “the mark” that they refer to when refilling it with oil. I assumed it’s the step in the lower portion since there was no actual mark on the housing. |
It was painted originally
Example of a 1500cc air cleaner from the Gallery
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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| If the air cleaner element is not all coated till clogged up with gunk on the bottom, would just fill it and go. It is self cleaning. Check out the 1960-64 replacement OM for more info. |
So I had seen the maintenance procedure (Bentley and the OM agree) but I’ve not found “the mark” that they refer to when refilling it with oil. I assumed it’s the step in the lower portion since there was no actual mark on the housing. |
It was painted originally
Example of a 1500cc air cleaner from the Gallery
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Yeah... on mine, most of the black paint below the line is gone so it’s all red/orange... but it’s pretty much the edge of the step, so I think I’m good.
Thanks for the clarification... it’d been nice if they’d had a similar pic in any of the manuals... |
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Thompson2
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| Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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I’ve been pretty fortunate. Weather has been great a few days for me to put more miles on the bus. Aside from not believing my repaired gas gauge and having to hoof it for some fuel, it’s gone pretty well.
Got her polished up and banished the bat pee stains for good. The paint job is still pretty crappy, but only if you get up close,
One functional question
There’s some weirdness shifting into 3rd. No grinding, but I have to push it up to where 3rd should be, take pressure off the shifter then push it back into the same spot and it goes in smoothly. Is there just an adjustment I’ve missed, or is there something more sinister? Gear oil change is in progress, in case that’s a suspect.... the old stuff was brown and stinky, but not glittery. Drain plug had a bit of really fine metal, but nothing too concerning...
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: Re: My 63 Subhatch Flipseat |
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Sounds like a tight syncro. Hopefully with the new gear oil it will loosen up. We had to change to a 607 Almsol gear oil to get our 2nd gear to work well.
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