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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Dropped the oil sump cover for oil change #3 after a 10 mile drive and still have aluminum glitter. It's about the same amount as after the 25 mile drive. Is it possible for a case to distort after it's warmed up? |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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10 miles, are you serious? Put that oil back in the engine, drive it for another couple hundred miles then drop the oil.
At ten miles the case has not even warmed up, distort, hardly, unless you left the fan belt off. |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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busman78 wrote: |
10 miles, are you serious? Put that oil back in the engine, drive it for another couple hundred miles then drop the oil.
At ten miles the case has not even warmed up, distort, hardly, unless you left the fan belt off. |
A couple hundred? I don't have that much confidence in this engine since the previous 2 cam gears lasted just 200 & 300 miles respectively. |
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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You will get particles with new parts, ten mile intervals are not long enough, put that oil through a paint strainer then run the engine for fifty or so, drain it, check it, strain it, do it again, you should get less and less, only if the particle count and or size increases do you have a problem. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12454
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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X2 ^^^^^^ |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26743 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Filter the oil through panty-hose and put it back in. |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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One of the reasons I didn't go very far with that oil is because it was just conventional oil with no zinc. I have no idea how long I'm supposed to use zinc in this engine and how "non zinc" oil will affect anything at this point, so I figured better safe then sorry. I've researched this topic and found a wide range of data stating how long the zinc is needed. |
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vernonc Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2012 Posts: 681 Location: Parkersburg, WV..yes, I sold the boat
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Dwayne, I don't know if this helps or not but I've run Valvoline Racing oil in all my cars, both VW's and others, for over 60 years and have never had a 'lubrication failure'. I don't believe you'll have any problem running the 'High Zinc' Racing oil full time. Just my 2 cents.
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4518 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Pick up a zinc additive, mix it in start racking some miles on the engine. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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if you didnt flush the oil system it may be the residue from the oil munch&lunch break....I dont add zinc to mine 80000+miles. but I do occasuonaly use semi syn quaker state deffy/high millage witch they say has higher zinc content.I started doing that around 70000 miles. I also go 2 years between oil changes& valve adjustments. the oil is cleaner than my wifes honda after 3 months, and the valves are usualy spot on.I adjusted the valves 2 days ago, most were dead on, 2 were a tad snuger. I hate the #1&4 ex there so effing hard to get my fingers in to feal the pushrod turn...so they take a bit more time.and I do my adjustments warm.
there are some other additives out that claim to replace zinc.and can be run all the tyme without the side affects of zinc.I havent used any and dont know if they work or not. they dont have zinc or phpsprous in them.some sort of ester....or easter..possiably rabbit eggs. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12454
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Just wondering how this situation turned out. Running ok now? |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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I haven't changed the oil yet from that 10 mile run. So far it has about 500 miles on it since then. I adjusted the valves last week and saw no aluminum in the valve covers, and the oil on the dipstick is still a gold color but getting darker from use I expect. It's not the silver sludge that I've had in the past at this point. My fingers are crossed but it's running real well. Out of curiosity I might drop the oil this week to ease my mind. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Dwayne1m wrote: |
I haven't changed the oil yet from that 10 mile run. So far it has about 500 miles on it since then. I adjusted the valves last week and saw no aluminum in the valve covers, and the oil on the dipstick is still a gold color but getting darker from use I expect. It's not the silver sludge that I've had in the past at this point. My fingers are crossed but it's running real well. Out of curiosity I might drop the oil this week to ease my mind. |
Fabulous, it’s normal to see some crap during break in. Sounds like this times a go. I’m betting you’ll be fine. |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Here's what the sump cover looked like. About 600 miles since last oil change. I know the pic is a bit blurry but there is aluminum glitter on the cover but nothing like I had in the past. I didn't reuse the oil because there was to much glitter in my opinion floating around in the oil.
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9880 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Looks good! Get that new oil in it and go eat some asphalt! _________________ Jimbo
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12454
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Happy days are here again 😀 |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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oil is cheep, why bother taking the chance the small particulate clogs the filter and opens the by pass in the filter and sends it to the bearings......oh waite, 500 miles already...too late already bypassed. sorry. gallon of oil$12~16...FILTER $2~4..... ENGINE......WORE OUT SHEWS..... |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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The sump plate looks normal to me for a engine breaking in. I remember seeing glitter for a few thousand miles and then it was gone. Engine now has 12k and runs perfect with no glitter. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Alfredo Arbe Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2015 Posts: 14 Location: south america
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Hi
Fact is you tryied different cams with the same result
Frome picture it emerges
1.certain areas are more "eaten than others"
2.hence, in deteriorated area was probably subject to harder effort than other.
So what about cranckshaft gear condition?
what about replacing cranckshaft and cranckshaft gear?
Hope you can solve the issue my friend! Good luck!
Alfredo |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Stock Engine eating cam gears |
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Alfredo Arbe wrote: |
Hi
Fact is you tryied different cams with the same result
Frome picture it emerges
1.certain areas are more "eaten than others"
2.hence, in deteriorated area was probably subject to harder effort than other.
So what about cranckshaft gear condition?
what about replacing cranckshaft and cranckshaft gear?
Hope you can solve the issue my friend! Good luck!
Alfredo |
I know it's a long thread but if you go back and read it through I went thru 3 different crank gears until Zundfolge1432 was kind enough to send me a true crank gear. I guess it was just my luck to have 3 bad cranks gears in a row. This was surely a learning experience for me and I will double check other peoples work and never take anything for granted. |
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