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72camper Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Never mind...delete.
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LazyLightning75 Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2016 Posts: 115 Location: Carmichael, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Post away! Some people like the build threads and some don’t. If not, they can choose to ignore it. I enjoy the build threads and have picked up a lot of useful info reading through them. My only pet peave is some of the build threads just stop dead in their tracks. Not sure if they run out of money or interest, but it sucks when the poster just disappears. It’s a commitment to follow though from beginning to end (if there is such a thing). Good luck. _________________ 1975 Riviera 1.8L FI |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:07 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Mirmathrax wrote: |
I am lining up a bunch of work to do on my bus. I am trying to figure out if I should make videos and take the time to document everything that I do.
I have some seriously cool stuff in mind to try (if my wife doesn't kill me first). I also have two kids young enough that they both still have that new car smell so my time is precious.
Is anyone interested to follow my build or would I be wasting my time? Of course I am still going to document and be active asking dumb questions in the forums, but if there is enough interest I will make detailed videos and post on youtube about the whole process.
Anyone along for the ride? |
I enjoy build threads. I'd watch for sure, but a well written documentation with pictures (like wildidea's thread) is good, if not better in my opinion. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
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advCo Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2017 Posts: 373 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I'm in on build threads. They seem to be hit or miss here, with either a lot of response or hardly any. /shrug
I prefer photos and text to videos personally. Videos are great for how-to's and certain procedures, but not my favorite media for build logs. Just my .02 _________________ "He pulled the mirrors off his Cadillac ‘cause he doesn’t like it looking like he looks back"
'68/'70 Ghia Coupe Project
'70 Westy Project - Champagne I Wannabe
A bunch of vintage Japanese motorcycles
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Mirmathrax Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2018 Posts: 33 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Awesome,
Thanks for the feedback. I have been reading a lot of build threads, and it is daunting because it does seem that several of them just abruptly end.
Fortunately for me, I am a stubborn s.o.b. so I hope that I will be around for a while. Wish me luck! |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I love build threads. Please go for it. I always learn something from nearly everyone and it’s great to watch someone’s skills improve and the creativity they employ to solve problems. _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
Visit: www.tomcoryell.com and check out my music! |
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78BusGA Samba Member
Joined: February 01, 2017 Posts: 315 Location: Buford, Georgia
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Please do a build thread, they are great for others to look through and see the experience of challenge they're having, or see new problems that need brainstorming.
Plus your bus already has some fun character. If you keep that character into it's new stage or life, the ideas you have along the way to it are fun to see. _________________ Few will understand the passion and majesty, among the nuts and grease.
Tom H.
My '74 Super 1303 thread - https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764902&start=60
My '78 Kombi Bus thread - https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=769385&highlight=
'72 Superbeetle (retired), '78 Bus Kombi 2.0FI, '74 1303 Superbeetle |
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Mirmathrax Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2018 Posts: 33 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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And so it begins!
Step 1: Get my bus running!
I started working today on finishing the wiring, which means first I have to figure out what the heck is going on!
It is a little messy:
I started by going through the wiring diagrams from the forums (thanks Spike). It has old wiring for the brakes, but a new main loom from Wolfsburg West. I see there are a few small discrepancies between the wiring loom and the diagram. Unfortunately, I don't have the WW diagram, even though it has a brand new loom. I called WW, and while tech support helped me a little, they basically told me to pound sand when I asked about getting a diagram. Buy a new loom if I want the diagram, even though mine is MINT!
The wiring for the brakes is a bit old, but looks decent:
I figured out the tail lights (I think), but there is an extra double-brown wire in the loom on the passenger side, and an extra double-black and single brown in the loom on the passenger side (see pic). I assume that the driver side black connects to the old wires from the backup light switch on the tranny. I have no idea what either brown wire is for (I know it is ground, but for what?)
I don't have a heater blower, so for now at least that is not a worry. However, there is once again an extra brown wire from that break-out that I have no idea where it goes. Is it meant to ground the blower (the wiring diagrams just show a connection to chassis)?
Wiring at the starter looks proper. There is an extra spade? Any idea what this is for?
Also, any idea's what this thing is? Comes out by the starter and looks like a control cable of some kind.
Finally, here are a few more pics from the bus as I was under and around it:
California approved:
Weber carb. Don't know a thing about this yet.
Looks reasonably good underneath.
Bushings look shot.
Next job: Figure out the fuses and relays. Ugh!
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51127 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I see nothing horrible there, bus wiring kindof looks like that.
The brown wires could be for the body ground tabs beside (below) each tail light, or the tail light fixtures themselves, which one isn't grounded?
The extra spade on the starter is for FI, leave it bare.
The cable near the starter is for the heater valve on that side.
Search "suck" (no quotes) in Baywindow forums and select title only for the Weber thread.
It does look rather solid below, those things you call bushings are ball joint boots, looks like you have grease fitting holes on yours, buy some 6mm fittings and lube them up.
What tires are those? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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Van Gooo Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2018 Posts: 44 Location: Indy
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:42 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Mir,
I too am a new owner of a bus. So, I for sure would be interested in your build thread. I may or may not comment, other than to give encouragement from time to time, as I too am just getting to know my bus and this community.
The help you will get here is invaluable. You will get smart ass comments too, but all in good fun. Others may have mentioned but, I would highly suggest getting familiar with Mayor Ratwell's site if you haven't already.
http://www.ratwell.com/ Robbie and Colin are fantastic as well.
https://www.itinerant-air-cooled.com/index.php
Buy the Bentley. Most of all have fun with your "99% complete bus".
Best regards,
J _________________ VanGooo
77 Westy
DOB 9-2-76
CA bus 2.0 FI
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Mirmathrax Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2018 Posts: 33 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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busdaddy wrote: |
I see nothing horrible there, bus wiring kindof looks like that.
The brown wires could be for the body ground tabs beside (below) each tail light, or the tail light fixtures themselves, which one isn't grounded?
The extra spade on the starter is for FI, leave it bare.
The cable near the starter is for the heater valve on that side.
Search "suck" (no quotes) in Baywindow forums and select title only for the Weber thread.
It does look rather solid below, those things you call bushings are ball joint boots, looks like you have grease fitting holes on yours, buy some 6mm fittings and lube them up.
What tires are those? |
Thanks for the help Daddy! I hope I can call you Daddy. Once I find out for sure what those wires are I will post for clarification, but I think you are on the money. There are already brown ground wires in the left and right tail-light looms, so I think the double-brown is to connect those to chassis ground. I have a volt-meter, so I will be testing before I apply battery voltage.
I have not checked the tires yet but it's not driving so I'm not in a hurry. I know they need to be proper truck tires, so I will definitely be looking that up before the first cruise.
I will also be buying a fire extinguisher today since I plan to try to crank it soon. PO says they ran it last in March/April. I can't tell if there is any gas in the tank, but I have not looked closely yet. Anything I should do if there is months old gas?
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51127 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Mirmathrax wrote: |
[ PO says they ran it last in March/April. I can't tell if there is any gas in the tank, but I have not looked closely yet. Anything I should do if there is months old gas? |
I guess the bigger question is how old was the gas last April?, when in doubt drain it out and put some fresh stuff in, old gas can cause the valves to hang up and that's a huge job to fix. The act of draining also confirms the tank flows freely and won't cause issues later. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I just found your thread. I have not been online lately, been welding and cutting alot. I also have a 72. seems to be in worse shape than yours is. With mine, I started with mechanical stuff. pulled the engine, dropped the front axle. I worked on those areas, bought stuff to repair them. Moved to stuff under the cabin, all the controls, steering, brake stuff, clutch, suspension, etc.... with all that removed I could scrape the tar off and look for rust and repaint underneath.
Getting close to done on the under cabin stuff, including floor board holes, door and threshold holes. Then the plan it to put all the under cabin stuff back on and go to the engine and wiring will be last. That way I can drive it in the spring or summer.... fingers crossed.
Good Luck _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing)
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:11 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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go to Prospero's Garage dot com and get a wiring diagram. I have one for the bus, and one for my 914. laminated, color, large print..... $20
https://colorwiringdiagrams.com/products/vw-buskombi-1972 _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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CessnaJon Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2008 Posts: 677 Location: Senoia,GA
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I have a spare heater booster you are welcome to on the south side. _________________ 1973 Westy (shared birthday)
1990 Westy Multivan
2015 Passat TDI 6sp
2015 Sportwagon TDI 6sp
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Our79Westy Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2012 Posts: 97 Location: Bronson, FL
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:06 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Yabsolutely and congratulations on your newest endeavor! if you hadn't noticed, while there are some, there's still a lack of good utube videos showing a restoration lIke yours will be...it makes a great story so bring it you definitely have your work cutout for you. good luck and keep the pictures coming please. we'll help out as much as we can _________________ 1979 Westfalia DELUXE 2.0 FI manual
Mexican beigeutiful and mostly original.
See the most up to date status of Constance on YouTube
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCvO1ZedS22IepvvRYaTxiPQ
My 1979 Westfalia Campmobile's sundry Tales of Constance
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620965
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Mirmathrax Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2018 Posts: 33 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:28 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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I am continuing to work out the wiring. I started hooking up the gauges in the dash and boy is it a mess. I ended up having to buy a new turn signal and wiper switch as I can't seem to find them in my bus.
As I was going through parts searching for these switches, I came across some engine tin that I don't recognize from the Bentley. Here is a picture of the engine tin from my manual:
Here is the tin I found. The outer two look like they go with the heat exchangers, but what are the two in the middle?
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malcolm2 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2011 Posts: 1272 Location: Mount Juliet, TN
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Not an expert, but my guess is type 1 tins. I would put money on the 2 in the middle being type 1 engine tins. Since I have never seen the top and bottom piece on my type 4 engine, I will go with type 1 on them too. Beetles, ghias and pre-72 buses. _________________ My Toys: '75 Porsche 914, '92 Ski Nautique and now a 1972 VW Transporter Deluxe (punch list fixing) |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51127 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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The top and bottom are indeed sled tins for a carbed type 4 bus, the middle 2 are type 1 singleport cylinder tins. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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spk5063 Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2018 Posts: 11 Location: PA
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: '72 project bus for a complete newbie |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
Mirmathrax wrote: |
I am lining up a bunch of work to do on my bus. I am trying to figure out if I should make videos and take the time to document everything that I do.
I have some seriously cool stuff in mind to try (if my wife doesn't kill me first). I also have two kids young enough that they both still have that new car smell so my time is precious.
Is anyone interested to follow my build or would I be wasting my time? Of course I am still going to document and be active asking dumb questions in the forums, but if there is enough interest I will make detailed videos and post on youtube about the whole process.
Anyone along for the ride? |
I enjoy build threads. I'd watch for sure, but a well written documentation with pictures (like wildidea's thread) is good, if not better in my opinion. |
I'll be following... probably just going to lurk for a while. I don't have a bus yet, but hopefully will find something in the near future.
~*Lurking activated*~ |
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