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Gina
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Bought a generator from a friend, but it looks different than my prior generator any others that I have seen. The difference being that there is a push on connector for the negative wire ans screw on for positive wire. What is that all about.
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Gina
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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I do not like it. Now i have to rewire.
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| A picture of the connectors, and the stamped part number/capacity info would be helpful. |
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Cusser
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
| A picture of the connectors, and the stamped part number/capacity info would be helpful. |
Yeah, Gina, please post pictures of both generators.
Definitely run the polarization test on the new-to-you generator before you install it, make sure that it can spin as a motor for a couple of seconds. Also, check the condition of the two generator brushes, don't install a generator with worn/low brushes.
If you don't want to clip and add new terminal, you could always make a short adapter wire.
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gt1953
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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Gina....I have reason to believe that is a 67 only generator.
Are you going to the Jerome Jamboree this year???
Does it look like this?? Notice the push on connector.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1784083
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| The generator with push on spade terminals are not a 67 only item. If a person did not want to hack their wiring harness to make this work you could make a couple of small jumpers using the appropriate terminals. Yes it would look a little wonky but would work and would allow you to keep the harness intact so that it could go back to original configuration at a later date. |
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gt1953
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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What year(s), make and model did the push on style generator VW used and installed them? Just want to continue learning.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| What year(s), make and model did the push on style generator VW used and installed them? Just want to continue learning. |
I was doing a search to clarify this then dammit I lost it. This topic comes up from time to time and the one I found was titled “myth of the 67 only generator” but that thread had a lot of pics and at the same time answers questions. The day I stop learning is the day they cover me with dirt  |
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gt1953
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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Oh My Zundfolge1432 I like your answer. From what I can understand is the typical 1967 one year only stuff for the 67 would be the generator. Now that is not to say a late 66 would have that generator although the 66 is 6V so make that an early 68 may have the generator. Sorta like my 73 standard type 1 has some 72 parts on it.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| gt1953 wrote: |
| What year(s), make and model did the push on style generator VW used and installed them? Just want to continue learning. |
hazetguy
The Not-So-"1967 Only" Generator
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=701894&highlight=generator
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Gina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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Sorry for delayed response. Photo on phone and have yet to figure out how to get it to gallery to upload. Anyway, GT1953, you photo does not look like my generator. I began the electrical wire change out and am using push on's for all except red wire DF+ to voltage regulator which has round adapter with screw. Off to find the right size green wire that goes from generator to voltage regulator DF. My question would be...……is DF+ ALWAYS the left connector on generator??? The thick red wire going to DF+ on regulator? Since they are not labeled on my generator?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:48 pm Post subject: Adjusted Generator question |
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Bus running. Must have hooked up okay. Yay! So, initial problem that began, still stands. RED LIGHT ON. Stays ON while engine running. BRIGHT. Generator polarized to battery. Connections all connected. Belt good. Half moon key inserted. No debris in fan. Fan nut tight! Oil pressure sensor new and connected and pulley at appropriate flex! Read and reread Muir and more. WTF? Another beer might help my progress.  1966 bus with 1967 1500 Beetle engine (it's what I have to work with since screwing over my 1600cc) and removing. Thanks. Would timing possibly be the issue?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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| Timing has nothing to do with the charging circut. If you polorized the generator and it started turning like a motor, it's probably good. Check the regulator. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Adjusted Generator question |
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| Gina wrote: |
| Bus running. Must have hooked up okay. Yay! So, initial problem that began, still stands. RED LIGHT ON. Stays ON while engine running. BRIGHT. Generator polarized to battery. Connections all connected. Belt good. Half moon key inserted. No debris in fan. Fan nut tight! Oil pressure sensor new and connected and pulley at appropriate flex! Read and reread Muir and more. WTF? Another beer might help my progress. 1966 bus with 1967 1500 Beetle engine (it's what I have to work with since screwing over my 1600cc) and removing. Thanks. Would timing possibly be the issue? |
Gina - I'm having a little trouble understanding fully the situation. Is the oil warning light on, or the charging light on? I ask because you mention the oil sender as new. Can you unplug the oil sender wire at the sender and start up, and confirm that the light is still on, please?
OK, engine does run, good. If you were able to polarize the generator then most likely it is good (but see Speedy Jim's checkout page www.speedyjim.net/htm/gen.htm). So if the charging light is on, you did change to a 12 volt voltage regulator right? New or used? Bosch solid state or old style with contact points?
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Gina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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I am sorry. Generator (RED) light stays on. I also just disconnected the oil sensor light and started the bus. No green light. Only RED running light staying on. 12 VOLT regulator already there prior to putting this engine, generator in. Bosch. Yes. I think solid state. Bosch made in Mexico. Thanks. I wish I had a garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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gt1953
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Generator question |
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Yep a garage does help.
Do you have voltage meter?
If yes what is the voltage at the battery engine off?
Start engine what is the voltage at the battery?
Also measure voltage at the generator connections.
Hopefully you will get that bus to Jerome.
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Gina
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Voltage meter...yes. Voltage with engine off is If using digital multimeter correctly, 12.10 when engine off and only like 11.89 when running. How do I measure voltage at generator connections?
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