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SixVolt
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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on the Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006. I've found info for distributors with this sequence of numbers ending in 009 and 010, but not 006. Any ideas? There's no mention of the 006 on the Old Volks site. Even when I google it, I don't see anything coming up. I'm currently running this with a Brosol 30/31 manual choke carb on a six volt 40 HP. Just wondering the original application and the correct points/roter/cap/condensor set up? Any help is appreciated. Sorry for the crappy pics. My I Phone 6S has a foucs problem.
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SixVolt
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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| Lingwendil wrote: |
Are you certain that it isn't actually a 0231 137 006? |
Yes, the number is 0231 137 006. That's what I indicated in the initial post. I pulled the distributor to be sure. I can't find anything on the internet about this model number.
Also, thanks for that other info. I'll go with that unless Genn or one of the other distributor guru's chimes in with info about an 006. |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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It's a factory replacement for a ZV/PAU 4 R 6 which was used on 61-63 Type 3s.
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SixVolt
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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| Much appreciated Glenn. At least I now know what I have. Can I assume the points/rotor/condenser and cap will the same as the ZV/PAU 4 R 6? |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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No, not the same. I would assume they are the same as the 205K or 205M.
205K
Points: 01 009
Condensor: 02 007
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001
205M
Points: 01 013
Condensor: 02 007
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001
The 205K use a 2 piece points where the post is part of the distributor.
The 205M uses a 1 piece points and not post on the distributor.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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No the cast distributors were "big cap" . You will probably need the cap and rotor for the 205M or other SVA short body distributors.
But even then, I'm not sure it matches your carb. |
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SixVolt
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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Very good! This is great information. Many thanks Glenn and to all who weighed in with their perspectives.
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205M
Points: 01 013
Condensor: 02 007
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001
The 205M uses a 1 piece points and not post on the distributor. |
FWIW I think this is what is currently in my set up. (In other words, what came with my bus) I'll order some and check to be sure if not I'll post any discrepancies here. I'm familiar with the 2 piece points from 36HP distributors. This is a one piece.
There probably aren't a whole lot of these 006 distributors out there, but when someone else comes across one, they'll be able to find this info here. Especially the early type III folks.
I will say, timed static at 10 degrees before TDC this is a nice smooth distributor. The advance is nice when checking with strobe. No hesitation. Im running it on a 40 horse with a 30/31 Brosol aftermarket manual choke carb, and the combination is really smooth. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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Glenn's information is contradicting itself. He shows a pic of a big cap and then says the tune up parts are the same as a "205 K'. Your pics are poor enough that I can't tell for certain whether your distributor is cast iron or aluminum.
The service department replacement for the big cap ZV/PAU 4 R 6 is 0 231 139 006.
A 0 231 137 006 would be an aluminum bodied SVA distributor service department replacement. I have included it in the rare unique oddball distributor thread somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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Here, found my pics of the distributor 137 006.
note the use of the 07016 canister. Looks like you have a different canister on yours. This distributor has a clear date stamp "124" or April 1971.
The posts above are good examples of why we should not refer to distributors as "205_'s" there are 111 905 205 M's (1964-1968) and 113 905 205 M's (1968) and 311 905 205 M's (1969-1970) and 113 905 205 AM's (1972), gets confusing. The first three are actually quite similar in appearance but perform and should be timed differently. With the canister you currently have installed
mated to your carburetor you will have a good match. I really like those manual choke 30/31 PIC Brosol (Brazilian Solex) carburetors.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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OK, appreciate the response tasb and all the information. For the sake of clarity, just a couple more questions. Excuse my lack of knowledge as these questions may be a bit simplistic.
When you reference "big cap" are you referring to those really big distributors (I think like 90mm?) or are you talking about what appears to be a "tall" cap on an otherwise normal looking distributor? What exactly is a "big cap" distributor?
I grabbed the Mrs. camera for some better pics. What's the consensus on what points/rotor/conndensor and cap I should buy?
I'm not sure what vacuum can I have, but this little distributor is really running smooth with this 40 horse and the Brosol 30/31 manual choke.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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| I didn't read Glenn's post as contradictory tasb. I took it as he was saying the dizzy replaced a big cap. The tune up parts for the replacement were same as 205m/k, not that the 205 had same tune up as the og big cap |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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| tasb wrote: |
| Glenn's information is contradicting itself. He shows a pic of a big cap and then says the tune up parts are the same as a "205 K'. |
Tim,
I posted the Big Cap to illustrate what the original distributor looked like.. that's all.
Without a picture of the inside of the 006 I could not tell if it needed the two piece or one piece points.
Big Cap = 90mm diameter. Others are 60mm with short (03 001) or tall caps (03 010).
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SixVolt
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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Ok, now I know the big cap distributor and that this one likely replaced it.
Now that I've posted better pictures, and it looks (to me) like one piece points, do I go with the 205M set up? Just trying to be certain.
Points: 01 013
Condensor: 02 007
Rotor: 04 006
Cap: 03 001 |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Bosch Distributor 0231 137 006 |
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Let me clarify:
The ZV/PAU 4 R 6 was used on 1961-1962 type III. The 0 231 139 006 was the service department replacement for the above distributor. Both of these are "big cap" 90mm cast iron housings with interior mounted condensers.
In March of 1964 Bosch started using smaller diameter units with exterior mounted condensers aluminum bodied distributors, one of which is the 0 231 137 006, a service department replacement distributor for the 111 905 205 M, N and 311 D,E,F,G. These distributors have slightly different advance curves than their cast iron bodied predecessors by using different vacuum canisters.
Sixvolt's aluminum distributor uses the short cap and rotor with the parts numbers listed by others in above posts. The condenser was the same except for the length of the lead wire. It's the points that are problematic. Beginning with the 113 905 205 M distributor in 1968 a different points design where the points plate has a mounting guide hole. Previous to this the points plate has a brass post that the points slip over. It' can be difficult, even with clear pictures to tell which is which when mounted in the distributor. The points plates are interchangeable and quite often were.
01009 with brass post on left/ 01013 on right
01013 points installed
01009 points installed
From the factory the 01009 points assembly had a hairpin clip atop the brass post which would have made identification easier.
pic is of an earlier distributor but it illustrates the point (pun intended). It's rare to find a hairpin still in place these days.
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