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AceHH
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 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:49 am Post subject: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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I have a fullsynchro Trans in my 56 oval.
Number is 9706737 or maybe 9705737, so it must be from the 60s!?
My old mechanic told me, someone rebuild the part where the transmission goes into the Chassis, so I was not in need for the bus nose and it couldn't fit too.
But the transmission was a bit too low so he made on each side some deepening in the chassis.
My main Problem is the Clutch, when I press it, the Clutch comes after 2 cm and there is no chance to regulate it at the end of the Clutch cable..
When I drive I always have a rumble and stumble at the start.
I can shift all Gears without scratching.
All Rubbers are new.
Is it possible that it’s why I have a long arm at the Pedal(original 56 Pedals) and a short Clutch Arm Release at the transmission?
So the way is another than standard with long arm at the pedal and long arm at the transmission.
I hope anyone can help me.
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57BLITZ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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Do you have the proper amount of droop in the Bowden tube?
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AceHH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| 57BLITZ wrote: |
| Do you have the proper amount of droop in the Bowden tube? |
Yes, but no changes, with or without is same.
Was also my first thought.
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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How old is the pressure plate? Is it a quality one? Do you know if the clutch disc was lubed before installation? What size arm on the tranny? Any squeaky noises in the interior when you press the clutch?
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66brm
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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I'm still trying to work out why the forks needed modifications, some detailed pics may help
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AceHH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| How old is the pressure plate? Is it a quality one? Do you know if the clutch disc was lubed before installation? What size arm on the tranny? Any squeaky noises in the interior when you press the clutch? |
Plate is new, Kennedy Stage 1, lubed? I hope so. Arm is 100mm . No Noises when I press the Clutch.
Also Heavy Duty Cross Shafts.
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AceHH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| 66brm wrote: |
| I'm still trying to work out why the forks needed modifications, some detailed pics may help |
The old Mechanic said, the Transmission was too low and the Axle Tubes lays on the Fork.
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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If you use the stock rear mount, what happens to the height?
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AceHH
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| If you use the stock rear mount, what happens to the height? |
I can't tell you, my Oval had a 64 Chassis and I bought this 56.
The Transmission Ad where welded that a Transmission suit without changing the Nose.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:53 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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Arm is 100mm .
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Linkage parts like the clutch arm are measured from center to center of the operating holes or pivots. Your clutch arm is 73mm long.
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AceHH
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| Bruce wrote: |
| Linkage parts like the clutch arm are measured from center to center of the operating holes or pivots. Your clutch arm is 73mm long. |
Thanks for the Info.
every Day I learn something new here.
What is original?
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Bruce
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| AceHH wrote: |
My old mechanic told me, someone rebuild the part where the transmission goes into the Chassis, so I was not in need for the bus nose and it couldn't fit too.
But the transmission was a bit too low so he made on each side some deepening in the chassis.
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Your mechanic is an idiot. Get your car out of his shop before he screws up your car even more. If he hasn't modified the right side yet, don't let him. Find another shop that will fix the damage he just did on the left one.
Take the trans out and cut out what was modified for the front mount. Then replace it with the original type mount.
You have an aftermarket rear mount. Replace that too.
Then to fit the later gearbox, simply bolt on a bus nose cone and hockey stick. Fitting a full synchro into an oval pan has been done THOUSANDS of times before with no cutting or welding necessary.
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Bruce
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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Looking at this pic, I think your front mount is unmodified. You have a Beetle nose cone and in order for it to poke through where it is, the front of the trans will sit a lot lower than it should. Because the front is 1-2" too low, the axle tubes are low too.
The bus nose cone and hockey stick should fix this.
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AceHH
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| Bruce wrote: |
| AceHH wrote: |
My old mechanic told me, someone rebuild the part where the transmission goes into the Chassis, so I was not in need for the bus nose and it couldn't fit too.
But the transmission was a bit too low so he made on each side some deepening in the chassis.
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Your mechanic is an idiot. Get your car out of his shop before he screws up your car even more. If he hasn't modified the right side yet, don't let him. Find another shop that will fix the damage he just did on the left one.
Take the trans out and cut out what was modified for the front mount. Then replace it with the original type mount.
You have an aftermarket rear mount. Replace that too.
Then to fit the later gearbox, simply bolt on a bus nose cone and hockey stick. Fitting a full synchro into an oval pan has been done THOUSANDS of times before with no cutting or welding necessary. |
Many Thanks Bruce.
I know, hes an Idiot (read the Story here https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=706971), but that was in 2017.
He modified both Sides.
After he tried to rip me of (increased his loan without telling me) I took the Oval out and completed the Doors, Interieur etc.
What you say is on my ToDo List.
Hard to find a Shop who can do this.
But if the Trans is 1-2" higher, no Exhaust will fit.
Today I tried to install a Bugpack Dual Quiet Pack and it doesnt fit.
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66brm
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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Just the front will come up, so the back will drop meaning more room for the exhaust.
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AceHH
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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| 66brm wrote: |
| Just the front will come up, so the back will drop meaning more room for the exhaust. |
Ahh ok, good to know.
I try to find a Shop who can do this.
Will coste me another Thousands of €, atm I'm at €55k 
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AceHH
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Trans or Clutch Problem? |
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Today I made some Pictures, may they help.
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