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therusty Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:38 pm Post subject: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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Members here need a suggestion .
The picture below is my present engine pic which displays the current distributor with its vacuum line disconnected .
It was disconnected by someone previously before I got the car recently.
I wanted to go for 019 distributor , but I notice that 019 doesnt have a Vacuum for it . Does it effect my stock motor anyways if I install the 019 for the extra punch???? ( yes it will be bench tested and rebuild professionally)
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should I keep continue using the present distributor by connecting the vacuum line
Dual Carbs :
I would be using the dual carb setup with single port manifold
webber 34 ICT kit
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2004 Posts: 2105
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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just connect the vacuum line and run the stock distributor,
also as far as I know there's no kit to fit ICTs to a 36HP, I suggest you start reading the vintage speed subforum, set some time aside |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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I wonder why the distributor was disconnected? I would test the current distributor to see if the vacuum actually works. _________________ Brian
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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The mechanical advance of the VJU4BR8 is the same as the VJ4BR8 and the 019. So just use your current one as is. _________________ Glenn
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therusty Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2016 Posts: 78 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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I did ask the ex owner he says the vaccum doesnt work , Its been there disconnected since years .
So what do I do next ????? & I would be using dual carbs single manifold |
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therusty Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2016 Posts: 78 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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I am curious to know whats the pros & cons of the vaccum.
Why doesnt 019 distributor has no vaccum on it .
Sorry I am new and learning. |
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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019 uses small weights within to advance the plate mechanically. The vacuum types use suction from the carburetor to advance. _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13280 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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bud, you're not going to be using ICT's, they do not fit on your 36 hp motor.
What carbs are you going to use? rethwish?
keep your stock distributor, have the vacuum fixed/tested _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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therusty Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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Am I wrong here . The dual carb kits are available ( for single port 34 ICT) and installed by few .
Plz check on google and also on this forum under performance/engine/transmissions. |
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 725
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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If you can, swap in a distributor that has a working vacuum can on it. It will make a BIG difference in how your car runs, both in speed and fuel economy. |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2004 Posts: 2105
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:41 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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therusty wrote: |
Am I wrong here . The dual carb kits are available ( for single port 34 ICT) and installed by few .
Plz check on google and also on this forum under performance/engine/transmissions. |
yes you are wrong , 36hp (your engine), 40hp and 1300/1500/1600 single ports have all different intake configurations in the heads which make intake manifolds for dual carb kits not interchangeable. |
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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Slow 1200 wrote: |
therusty wrote: |
Am I wrong here . The dual carb kits are available ( for single port 34 ICT) and installed by few .
Plz check on google and also on this forum under performance/engine/transmissions. |
yes you are wrong , 36hp (your engine), 40hp and 1300/1500/1600 single ports have all different intake configurations in the heads which make intake manifolds for dual carb kits not interchangeable. |
X2.
There is a dual carb kit that will fit a 36 hp engine (which is called a 30 PS engine in Europe), it's the "Okrasa dual-port engine kit" (just google it). _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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WW makes a current kit for the 36hp.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wolfsburg_new/engine/25-36hp/WW_dual_port_kit.cfm
But understand this... What is the condition of your current engine? The PO says the vacuum hasn't been working for a long time, when was the last time the engine was rebuilt? Its been said that the quickest way shorten the life of a tired engine is to put it under more stress by adding more stress to it by adding "performance" mods. If you are going to try and increase performance by adding this kit, you should probably plan on a rebuild which is going to add $$ to the equation. And rebuilding a 36hp ain't cheap and takes a certain amount of knowledge. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
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therusty Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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No I am referring to single port manifold available on CB performance .
part no. 6427
Dual Webber 34mm ICT kit single port type 1 |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13280 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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no, those will not work on your 36hp engine. just trying to keep you from wasting your money
in vw nomenclature, a single port is a 1300, 1500, or 1600 based engine. Yours is not, it's completely different. Yours is a 36 horse, and thats how you should say it and order parts for it.
there are threads about 36hp dual carbs. he's one, there are plenty more
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3203738
In my opinion, get your vacuum working first, worry about other stuff later
BTW, this will apply to changing your exhaust out as well, make sure to buy an exhaust made for a 36hp motor _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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therusty Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2016 Posts: 78 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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Thank you everyone . I will keep this carb , airfilter & distributor.
I did read a lot on the samba today . Thank you all for guiding me in the right direction.
Stock CARB : want to clean it and rebuild it , Where can I get its rebuild kit , any link ,so that I dont order a wrong part.
Air filter : Cant find the part number on the filter assemble looks like it was painted at some point .
Can someone tell me where can I get this stock air filter or how to service it.
Fuel pump : I have to order the metal lines and from where could i get a new rebuild kit for it ?
Distributor : Hw can I check & a newbie like me learn & find out if the vaccum works
If not what should be my nest step? |
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therusty Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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engine pics
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therusty Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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members please suggest |
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 725
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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https://www.thoughtco.com/testing-vacuum-advance-distributors-classic-cars-726193
But since the previous owner already told you the vacuum advance doesn't work, there's probably not much point in testing it. Basically that distributor uses two mechanisms to advance the ignition timing. A centrifugal advance mechanism, which works off the speed of the engine, and a vacuum mechanism which works off the intake vacuum (and so works off the load placed on the engine rather than the speed). If the vacuum part doesn't work, you won't get the proper ignition timing you need for the best power/smoothness.
Some distributors feature either centrifugal advance or vacuum advance. Yours has both. The 019 has only centrifugal advance. Centrifugal advance is good for "performance" applications - what this really means is applications where the engine is going to be floored all the time. It could work for you, but you don't really know if you'll need/want it since you don't know how the distributor you have in there already should perform, since it is essentially half turned off without the vacuum portion working. If you want the best driveability and economy, having the stock distributor repaired would be the route to go. If you plan on flooring it everywhere, the 019 might be right for you. |
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panicman Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Distributor upgrade for 58 stock motor |
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You can usually get the needed rebuild kits for the carb and fuel pump at Wolfsburg West.
PLEASE READ THE EXISTING THREADS ON REBUILDING YOUR PARTS BEFORE STARTING. There are some important instructions that don’t necessarily come with the kits. _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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