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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:20 am Post subject: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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I though I would start a thread on what others think constitutes a vintage or nostalgia fiberglass Buggy and what is considered a modernized version. In my view there is no real right or wrong here, just a sharing of personal perspectives. My own ride is a bit of a mixture at this point.
Vintage:
Engine - air cooled engine - VW, Porsche, Corvair
Tail/signal lights - VW Beetle preferably, any pre to mid 70s lights.
Wheels - 5 wide or 4 x 120 VW steel rims, smoothies chrome or painted, Baby moons or VW hub caps, early aluminum wheels ( centerline, Empi, ET slots, Fuchs, etc.)
Roll bar - single braced or none at all
Dash - analog gauges preference given to Beetle speedo and switches
Tops - soft or hard top, open sides
Bumpers - none or small nurf or single bar style
Exhaust - dual cannon or early extractor
Modernized:
Engine - any water cooled swap
Lights - LEDs
Roll bar - complete roll cages
Wheels - all current designs especially anything larger than 15"
Dash - digital and LED
Tops - fully enclosed, soft or hard
Bumpers - large beafy fronts especially with a winch, full engine cages
Exhaust - bob tail, side winder or turbos
That is where the lines between the two are drawn in my mind. How do you see it? This post is not intended to be a debate, just a sharing of view points.
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MrGoodtunes Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2012 Posts: 849 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Vintage:
Headlights - Large circular (like frog eyes)
Modernized:
Headlights - Tiny focus'd beams
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winddude Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2013 Posts: 160 Location: South Vancouver Island
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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vintage can definitely have a stinger exhaust
The big difference for me is the shape of the fiberglass, the side pods look modernized to me, and kits like the kickout SS, vs classic manx.
The crager SS style wheels are definitely vintage, nothing to do with size, all about period look for me.
In the end it's all about the overall look, not an individual piece. Very possible to have a vintage look with vintage digital gauges |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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It's a slow creep in many cases, change this, add that and at some point the Buggy crosses the line. The line is different for everybody and that is what I hope this discussion is about.
Right now when I drive ahead of our Buggy and look at it in the mirror it screams nostalgia but when I follow it I see a much more modern one. I think there are 4 things that do it. 1) LED tail lights, 2) full engine cage, 3) the non Manx lower body skirt profile, 4) ride height.
The front is down in the weeds too but the eye tends to forgive just one inconsistency?
Ya! I should have included ride height in my first post. On a vintage one you can see some scenery between the wheels! |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15279 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Vintage = drum brakes or Ghia front discs. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9131 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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2 of my buggies have hard tops that came with them. So i would consider them a vintage look. For wheels, nothing screams vintage like wide smoothies, even torque thrusts give it a modern look to me. A stock steering wheel or Superior 500 looks vintage as does a simple speedo and factory gas gauge on the dash. Any taillight from pre 70s cars look vintage to me even if they are lit with LEDs
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AMAC1680 Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2015 Posts: 300 Location: Jacksonville Fl/Mantoloking NJ
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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When I think “vintage “ I think of the buggies my dad and I built in the early 1970s.
Anything that wasn’t part of the beetle wasn’t part of the buggy...
Or at least very, very little. Nothing fancy just the popular mechanics style kit build.
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Hot Air Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2007 Posts: 664 Location: Baltimore, Maryland
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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That's my buggy mrgoodtunes posred.The lights are pretty good they are flood light style not spotlight style. There is a difference..I also have lights on the beam for added light.
As for vintage or modern that is your call. I like both looks.
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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I think that what we consider vintage is very much informed by the first one we saw or rode in. And that in turn could depend heavily on what era we were born in.
I too have a soft spot for the Popular Mechanics Buggies as I saw them in that magazine even before I saw them on the street. I also really enjoy seeing a down and dirty hot rodded version. They look wicked fast just sitting there!
I started out with vintage in mind but the low nasty look is starting to sneak in there... |
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Ken Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2005 Posts: 129 Location: Spokane, WA.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Mine is more of that "Low Mean" look I think, I tried to keep it as vintage as possible.
Things I feel lend to the Vintage look:
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Supremes (which were actually a lowriders rim, that was popular in the mid 70's) or Cragars, bias ply tires w/whitewalls, tuck n roll or diamond pleat interior, heavy Metalflake gel coat or paint, drum brakes, LOTS of chrome. |
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Skulptorchaz Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2013 Posts: 839 Location: S.E. Indiana
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Nice buggy, Hot Air. Seems we ideas along the same line. I wish mine could be lower but the big sump keeps me from lowering it.
I too appreciate ALL styles and and combinations. I really like new ideas whether in old or new style. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Ken wrote: |
Mine is more of that "Low Mean" look I think, I tried to keep it as vintage as possible.
Things I feel lend to the Vintage look:
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Supremes (which were actually a lowriders rim, that was popular in the mid 70's) or Cragars, bias ply tires w/whitewalls, tuck n roll or diamond pleat interior, heavy Metalflake gel coat or paint, drum brakes, LOTS of chrome. |
Ken . . . I POSITIVELY LOVE THIS . . .
More like a sixties, show car vibe for me . . . dig it! _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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YDBD Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2017 Posts: 890 Location: Bavaria, Germany
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Old style buggy head lights are key for me, don't even want to change to the lens that holds a halogen.
Hard top with side curtains:
Going from this:
Back to this:
_________________ '56 pan Dune Buggy since '69
don't live in the past...but when I did:
'67 bug
'64 baja
'60 dune buggy
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Skulptorchaz Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2013 Posts: 839 Location: S.E. Indiana
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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(I forgot to include my pic. It was late. )
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Vintage... As I took possession of it in 1995... Vintage?.. Have to think its pretty much as it was build in 1970 (registered as 1970 SPCN)...
After "personalisation"(sp?) build in 2001.. And as it is today...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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All suggestions and advice are purely my own opinion. You are free to ignore them if you wish ... |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5446 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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A couple of traditional touches come to mind. Early Mustang tail lights and Corvette gas filler doors. My first buggy had both, and the lack of any glass rework in those areas suggest they where part of the original build. _________________
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cdnltded Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2015 Posts: 381 Location: Pincher Creek, Alberta
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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this is my current driver that i rebulit. personally i think it has alot of vintage looks.
this is the new project. came wit a top, looks to be original to the buggy. no id on the buggy so i cant say a year. but this one will be a vintage style as well
i think it really depends on the builders eye and the viewers eye. there is no way that everyone sees the same thing about everything |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12632 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Now there is one we all missed! The whip antenna, that's in so many of the vintage pictures. |
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YDBD Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Yup! Required for running the dunes!
_________________ '56 pan Dune Buggy since '69
don't live in the past...but when I did:
'67 bug
'64 baja
'60 dune buggy
'73 Personenkraftwagen Type 182 "Thing" |
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Skulptorchaz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Vintage/nostelgia vs modernized |
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Silver Lake, Michigan requires it front right corner. Can you guys run it on the back nowadays?
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