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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Wildthings wrote: |
| . I was able to solve all the puzzles except one and that was about 18" to 48" diameter x 40' long pieces of pipe failing when put in use after they had been hauled by truck or rail even moderate distances. Any long haul truckers out there? |
transit fatigue. depending on how the pipe was made (seamless/welded seam etc) would determine the failure rate to a point...but usually impurities or hard spots during manufacture were the real issue. lot's of flex when you get something longer than 10' it seems
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| Internal short in the climate control bulb backfeeding to the brake warning ground. |
I've seen this before - it usually blows the base-emitter junction of the transistor inside the lamp assy if 31 gets lifted towards 12 volts while 61 is grounded by the switch on the parking brake. Did the lamp fully function after the other lamp was fixed? Just fixed a couple of these for Aeromech last week - blown diodes and transistors.
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31 had 3.2 volts- that’s when I had to pull out the diagram. This was about three weeks ago in New Hampshire, and the bulbs all functioned perfectly after the climate control bulb was replaced. (Even the summer was flawless, which seems to be more common on later bays in my experience. Ideas why that trend exists?)
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Did people here actually think I was pawning my customer troubles off in these threads? If so, “that’s really cute that you think that.” Right Stuart??? 
Two months ago I posted the first issue in a string of games that would not have been solved by playing parts darts. Y’all are welcome to post whatever you want, wherever you want within the guidelines here. So am I. And I’m sorry if I’ve ruined your Samba experience by trying to help teach the paths and techniques of proper diagnosis instead of spoon feeding answers to the same dozen issues that come back month after month.
My last five gas fills have been in five different states. See you on the road,
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busdaddy
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Joined: February 12, 2004
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Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| . I was able to solve all the puzzles except one and that was about 18" to 48" diameter x 40' long pieces of pipe failing when put in use after they had been hauled by truck or rail even moderate distances. Any long haul truckers out there? |
transit fatigue. depending on how the pipe was made (seamless/welded seam etc) would determine the failure rate to a point...but usually impurities or hard spots during manufacture were the real issue. lot's of flex when you get something longer than 10' it seems |
How savage the truckers got with the straps or chains may have also played a part.
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TomWesty
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Joined: November 23, 2007
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Location: Wyoming,USA
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| Wildthings wrote: |
| . I was able to solve all the puzzles except one and that was about 18" to 48" diameter x 40' long pieces of pipe failing when put in use after they had been hauled by truck or rail even moderate distances. Any long haul truckers out there? |
transit fatigue. depending on how the pipe was made (seamless/welded seam etc) would determine the failure rate to a point...but usually impurities or hard spots during manufacture were the real issue. lot's of flex when you get something longer than 10' it seems |
How savage the truckers got with the straps or chains may have also played a part. |
This was my thought. The short distance being the clue. If they really boom down the pipe it could distort in cross section as well as along the length. Larger tanks and cylinders I see being hauled by truck on their sides often have armatures welded inside to keep them from going oblong. Jeebus, do I sound like Mr. Skeet?
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airschooled
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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How savage the truckers got with the straps or chains may have also played a part. |
This was my thought. The short distance being the clue. If they really boom down the pipe it could distort in cross section as well as along the length. Larger tanks and cylinders I see being hauled by truck on their sides often have armatures welded inside to keep them from going oblong. Jeebus, do I sound like Mr. Skeet? |
I first loads got re-torque checks after a short ride, no? But then I recall seeing loads themselves being used as trailers by strapping them to a front platform and mostly-aligned set of rear wheels with lights.
Tom, your response wasn't long enough with a works-cited section. Good adjective choice, though!
Robbie
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Abscate
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Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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most of us won’t ever reach the skillz level of being to diagnose by symptom because we don’t work on cars full time.
Throw in scenarios and soliciting possibilities is one of the few failings on the Samba, most of advice on these threads is wrong or at best , time wasting.
We had a guy trouble shoot ECU and ETM for three months because everyone told him the Magnetti Marelli is a POS ( it can be) when he was out of gas. He didn’t want to be bothered to check his fuel pressure because everyone knew the solution from symptom. Not.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| yes - that electric climate control bulb in the circuit that regulates the vent windows on a summer day is really prone to problems in damp weather. That combination of humidity and heat just cooks the circuit like being in a steam bath. Speaking of steam baths - do we have any friends here who are having problems due to Michael or Florence? |
My sister survived Michael fine, just a few wind gust there she lives on the main peninsula of Florida. She is something like 60' above sea level so only has the wind to worry about. Relatively new house, which so far has stood up well. |
good to hear Mike. I would not have the answer on that pipe question either. Were they steel, plastic or clay, and how/where were they failing? |
The pipe was steel and they had changed their way of loading the trucks and railcars, not using the wooden 4x4 spacers between the truck bed and the pipe and between each tier of pipes. The spacers apparently do more than facilitate loading and unloading but also cut down on both the abrasion the pipes receive and affect how much the pipes bend while being transported. Without the spacers there are harmonics that run back and forth through the load stressing the pipe past its limits. |
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SGKent 
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Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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that is like needle bearings in cars transported by rail. Other examples are like the transfer case in the CJ7. Being part time, the needles sit in one spot for long periods of time. They flat spot and dig into the journal from the bounces in the road.
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bigbore
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Location: Wasilla Alaska
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:37 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| OOOH, OOOH, Mr. Kotter, MR. Kotter.....remove the bulb or paint the lens black. |
wait till you get the owner that shoots it out with a pellet rifle  I have seen it. after reading this thread trying to fix a such miner problem there's not enough thread pages here to work out a electrical problem in a newer vw with can bus.
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bigbore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| that is like needle bearings in cars transported by rail. Other examples are like the transfer case in the CJ7. Being part time, the needles sit in one spot for long periods of time. They flat spot and dig into the journal from the bounces in the road. |
many years ago my dad worked for internarial harvester and they had a problem with the scouts being shipped by rail the wheel bearing were getting damaged from this my dad told me how they fixed this it had something to do with how they were loaded.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| that is like needle bearings in cars transported by rail. Other examples are like the transfer case in the CJ7. Being part time, the needles sit in one spot for long periods of time. They flat spot and dig into the journal from the bounces in the road. |
One of the reasons that I have almost always kept the hubs locked in on my 4WD vehicles. |
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airschooled
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| that is like needle bearings in cars transported by rail. Other examples are like the transfer case in the CJ7. Being part time, the needles sit in one spot for long periods of time. They flat spot and dig into the journal from the bounces in the road. |
many years ago my dad worked for internarial harvester and they had a problem with the scouts being shipped by rail the wheel bearing were getting damaged from this my dad told me how they fixed this it had something to do with how they were loaded. |
Are these the small trucks that use I-beams as their main frame rails? A silly thing, to have wheel bearings so fragile on a truck so rough...
Robbie
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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the contact area on a roller or needle bearing is very small. When the needle or roller sits in one spot for a very long time it deforms the needle/roller and journal. Same kind of damage on 091 transmissions that occurs from 70 - 75 mph freeway running long periods. The heat build up in 4th gear melts the plastic needle retainers so the needles stop spinning. Then they eat into the journal. You can see the needle marks in this 091 gear. The gear is trash. So is the mainshaft.
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orwell84
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Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| Troubleshooting is truly an art and unfortunately is so hard to do at a distance. It is hard to know for someone new what information is important to provide. When I first got my bus I had no mechanical experience and everything took forever. I remember getting really stuck trying to put the distributor cap back on. I just couldn't get one of the clips up and over the notch...just no feel for working with... things, especially if I couldn't see it; no idea how hot was hot, how tight was tight, how hard or soft to pull twist tap or hammer and often ended up either smashing something to shit or not moving it at all. |
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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Are these the small trucks that use I-beams as their main frame rails? A silly thing, to have wheel bearings so fragile on a truck so rough...
Robbie |
When they first started piggybacking semi trailers on the back of rail cars they had a major problem with bearing failure on the trailer axles. The same bearings that could do hundreds of thousands if not millions of miles on the highway died in a few tens of thousands of miles when the bearings were not allowed to spin. Nothing to do with being tough.
Not sure what they did to fix this problem on the trailers.
The same thing happens on u-joints that run totally straight verses having some bend to them at the joints so the needles move around. |
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bigbore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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had the same problem in motorcycle swing arms that had rollers they track out from going back and forth not round and round as a roller should I machined bronze bushing no more problem how allegedly smart engineers cant work this out.
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bigbore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| that is like needle bearings in cars transported by rail. Other examples are like the transfer case in the CJ7. Being part time, the needles sit in one spot for long periods of time. They flat spot and dig into the journal from the bounces in the road. |
many years ago my dad worked for internarial harvester and they had a problem with the scouts being shipped by rail the wheel bearing were getting damaged from this my dad told me how they fixed this it had something to do with how they were loaded. |
Are these the small trucks that use I-beams as their main frame rails? A silly thing, to have wheel bearings so fragile on a truck so rough...
Robbie |
your thinking of a Ford.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| most of us won’t ever reach the skillz level of being to diagnose by symptom because we don’t work on cars full time.. |
my suggestion is don't work on cars full time. it sucks the soul out of you. I use to be eager to do so. now I just want to sit in a bathtub with a bottle of captain and slit my wrists.
to your point....stu had an issue with a Vanagon with a Subaru swap. he did a T belt and in the end...it jumped time....like I told him to check...but whatever...either you have "it" or you don't.
I am now working with FlexRay...that's right boys and girls...coming to a car near you. oh...and dealing with squiggly line on a scope
so... is handing out answers a good thing or a bad thing? depends...you assume someone wants to learn. most of the time they want the problem fixed...they don't care how they got there.
Robbie I am going to give you the best advice anyone could ever give you. what you do with it is your call. stop fucking with this junk. you're a smart guy and I mean that. if you keep going doing what you're doing you will find yourself at 40 with a bunch of your life wasted and nothing to show for it.
you have the personality for teaching and seem to enjoy it. get in with a trade school, UTI, Porter and Chester and teach an automotive course. you will find yourself at a boarded up lucky hot dog (or whatever bar you guys go to) where all the guys you use to run with are getting ready to retire while you're trying to hustle another air cooled client. they are drying up...more and more every year...
I am fortunate. I am one of the few that can say I have done over 100K/year in this trade....but that was a lifetime ago when the cards weren't stacked against you and people actually paid to repair their cars.
there is a very finite client base to do what you do. you're a smart guy...you should see that..
I can honestly say I couldn't look a young kid in the eyes and tell them this is a good trade. it isn't. your back, knees, wrists and every joint aches. I sound like fucking popping bubble wrap just typing this.
I was never pro union or pro gov't in terms of employment...but guys my age are getting close to 100k/year, paid holidays and a pension...not a bad gig for working 7 to 3. hopefully you'll figure all of this out before it's too late. maybe you're a trust fund baby...or have buckets of cash at your disposal and don't need to worry about it...I don't know. but if you are going to have to pay your own way....you'd better love that bus, cuz you may end up living in it
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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bigbore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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ditto but in my case I never came close to 100K a year and where Iam now financially I can never retire I never gave it must thought I was doing what I wanted I was happy I just figured it would come oh to be that dumb again. say can I join the tub party skills? but I will bring my own bottle for me it Yukon jack.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: The Air-Schooled Games - 4 - newbies only! |
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| say can I join the tub party skills? but I will bring my own bottle for me it Yukon jack. |
we'll need a bigger tub
dealer life (if you can call it that) sucked. you made the $$ to carry all of the dead weight (guys that couldn't perform, secretaries, recon guys and anyone that had a "non productive" job...read that as someone that couldn't be billed out at 110/hr)
I about broke myself in 1/2 to make that salary. 8 to 8 most days, plus weekends. in the end when I had my epiphany it was basically like working 2 full time jobs for 13/hr. fuck that.
were I smart I would have listened to my aunt who works for the DOC. I could have been a CO and retired this year below 40 with a full ride. live and learn.....
but getting in with a fleet position for the state, local or federal level would have a cake walk looking back...new equipment every 5-8 years as the fleet got retired. woulda, coulda, shoulda....
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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