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Red5 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2017 Posts: 111 Location: Burlington, Vt
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:19 pm Post subject: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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I mounted the distributor that came with my motor today and noticed a problem:
Now, this motor came to me in pieces, so I'm not sure if I'm missing some additional parts to this puzzle. The stud is obviously not long enough to allow the distributor to be bolted to the block. Is the solution just to find a longer stud, or am I missing something for the distributor?
I believe the distributor is one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkswagen-H4-1954-79-Rac...1940315820
From what I've read on other posts, this is a crappy knock-off of an MSD model. I do not have the ignition module that is required to run this thing. Would my best bet be to get a decent distributor/ignition setup and forget trying to piece this thing back together? Thanks again. |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Megajolt EDIS distrubitorless and don’t look back |
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Round file that thing. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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X2 on you found a great door stop. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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What do you want for $62.22? _________________ Glenn
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Does the distributor even engage the drive shaft? Looks like a clamp made for something else.
Original distributors are the best if running original carbs. |
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Red5 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2017 Posts: 111 Location: Burlington, Vt
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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OK, sounds like I'm in the market for a new distributor. The Megajolt option sounds amazing, but a little too pricey at this point. I guess a 009 purchase is in my future. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Red5 wrote: |
I guess a 009 purchase is in my future. |
going from one mistake to another. _________________ Glenn
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Red5 wrote: |
OK, sounds like I'm in the market for a new distributor. The Megajolt option sounds amazing, but a little too pricey at this point. I guess a 009 purchase is in my future. |
Don’t
If you need cheap go down to Oriellies or Autozone and buy a VW10 for around $130
It’s a knockoff of a much better than Bosch Nippon Denso unit from the 80’s It comes with its own low resistance dry coil and best of all carries a lifetime warranty with an actual place to return it in the event of a failure (try that with any other VW distrubitor)
Any more expensive than that and you should just spring for the $200 Megajolt box and junkyard source the rest of the system |
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Red5 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2017 Posts: 111 Location: Burlington, Vt
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Good to know. The 009 comment was just because it seemed to be the default distributor people went for. Until last night, I didn't know I was going to need to get another distributor, so I have done zero research. Any idea what the Megajolt system might roughly cost in total if sourcing used parts? |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Red5 wrote: |
Good to know. The 009 comment was just because it seemed to be the default distributor people went for. Until last night, I didn't know I was going to need to get another distributor, so I have done zero research. Any idea what the Megajolt system might roughly cost in total if sourcing used parts? |
Assuming you have a laptop and can make some brackets I did both mine for under $300 total.
A neon coil and 3.8 caravan wires make for a super slick install
This wheel is cheap and really easy to mount
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F271248393018 |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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What carb (s) do you plan on running? You want to match the induction to the spark for best overall performance. |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
What carb (s) do you plan on running? You want to match the induction to the spark for best overall performance. |
With a distrubitor sure. This doesn’t apply to a digitally controlled ignition. You simply match your spark map to what you are accomplishing |
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3292 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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You are just missing the short spacer nut/stud piece that should have come with it.
A longer stud and a correct length spacer sleeve will will also work.
For the ign. module you might look into a standard Chevy HEI ign. module. Maybe post a pic of the inside of this thing? I think those were built by Speedmaster? when they were still in bizness. They imported tons of super cheap engine parts, had some lawsuit issues, and now they have a different name.
I think you will also need something similar to a MSD box to make it run.
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Krochus wrote: |
Pruneman99 wrote: |
What carb (s) do you plan on running? You want to match the induction to the spark for best overall performance. |
With a distrubitor sure. This doesn’t apply to a digitally controlled ignition. You simply match your spark map to what you are accomplishing |
The OP said digital wasn't an option right now. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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You can run just about any CDI box out there off that distributor. The CDI box has its own coil driver, so you can quickly be up and running. Yes you need a longer stud and a spacer to bolt it down.
Asking which distributor is right for you is like asking what oil is best to use. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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jpaull wrote: |
Asking which distributor is right for you is like asking what oil is best to use. |
Easy... clean oil. _________________ Glenn
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4343 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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Look at the picture: There's a separate ring below the clamp.
Remove that lower ring on your distributor shaft. It's locked with a set screw. Loosen the set screw, remove that ring, and that will allow you to drop the clamp down. Your stud needs to be longer anyway though. Either back-out that one, or replace it with a longer stud. It should have come with a spacer that goes in-between the bracket and the base of the crankcase. If you don't have it, improvise with a stack of washers or whatever.
Most billet clamps touch down on the case without a spacer, but I think this is a universal domestic clamp. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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Red5 Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2017 Posts: 111 Location: Burlington, Vt
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Ditch the generic aftermarket distributor? |
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bugguy1967 wrote: |
Remove that lower ring on your distributor shaft. It's locked with a set screw. Loosen the set screw, remove that ring, and that will allow you to drop the clamp down. Your stud needs to be longer anyway though. Either back-out that one, or replace it with a longer stud. |
Ha! That worked! Sort of. Even with the ring off, the stud is still too short for the bracket. The stud also seems none too eager to be backed out of its home. I think I'm done fiddling around with this distributor. I do appreciate all the suggestions and information.
I'm still intrigued by Krochus's MegaJolt suggestion. I said initially that sort of system was not viable for me. I assumed a set up like that would be $500+ once it gets put together. But for around $300, I'm definitely going to take a hard look at the distributor-less options |
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neil68 Samba Member
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