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MConstable Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 1822 Location: Saint Charles IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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Need advice on clutch and pp for my Thing
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Street car, almost daily driver.
Thanks in advance _________________ 1974 Thing |
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subhuman Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2008 Posts: 539 Location: north carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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daiken disk, kennedy stage 1 pp _________________ 63 restomod build
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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subhuman wrote: |
daiken disk, kennedy stage 1 pp |
That's what I would use also.
The thing about "stock style" discs . . . better to avoid the type with the coil springs in the hub/center . . . heavier than rigid discs. _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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KEP Stage 1 and Copperhead disc.
_________________ Glenn
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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I found a Stage I and the CB Super Disc will hold 200 lb. ft. Torque to the wheels and 165 ft. lbs of torque checking with a torque wrench on the flywheel.
Your engine won’t come close to that unless you put a bunch of boost to it.
When I was testing the Daiken disk held less torque than the Super Disc.
YMMV. _________________
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57BLITZ Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2385 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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clonebug wrote: |
When I was testing the Daiken disk held less torque than the Super Disc.
YMMV. |
Unless CB Performance is showing the wrong photo . . . "1359 Clutch Disc - Super Disc - 200mm" . . . sure looks like it IS a Daiken 503a . . . Look closely . . . http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1359.htm _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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allamaabroad Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 560 Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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Glenn wrote: |
KEP Stage 1 and Copperhead disc.
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I agree. Nothing beats the copperhead on the street, especially when paired with a Stage 1 PP. Engagement is smooth and the disk is very gentle on your flywheel and pressure plate, and it can hold a ton of power (150+ ft lbs on a STOCK PP) _________________ Dennis - 1973 Super Beetle ('16-'21)
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jeffrey8164 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 3818 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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Glenn wrote: |
KEP Stage 1 and Copperhead disc.
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+1 That’s what I’m using on a 2276 _________________ Volkswagen!
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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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For me it’s to heavy and at full rev 7000 plus quick shift she no go in gear. For you maybe good. |
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MConstable Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 1822 Location: Saint Charles IL
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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KEP stage 1 and copperhead ordered.
Thanks! _________________ 1974 Thing |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4027 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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57BLITZ wrote: |
clonebug wrote: |
When I was testing the Daiken disk held less torque than the Super Disc.
YMMV. |
Unless CB Performance is showing the wrong photo . . . "1359 Clutch Disc - Super Disc - 200mm" . . . sure looks like it IS a Daiken 503a . . . Look closely . . . http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1359.htm |
I have a Daiken 503A and tried it.....it held less than the CB Super Disc.
They look identical but don't perform the same. Shimmed and unshimmed....
Here is the page in my build where I have test results.......YMMV
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vwracerdave wrote: |
Take a good long look in the mirror and report back on what you see. |
Paul.H wrote: |
That one line on that chart is probably better info than you can get from this place in a month |
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motox166 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2016 Posts: 30 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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maui wrote: |
For me it’s to heavy and at full rev 7000 plus quick shift she no go in gear. For you maybe good. |
So what's good for 7000+ rpm? _________________ 1970 Baja Bug: 2187, L5, SLR XR302(K, 9.2:1, dual 44s.
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4856 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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As a trans builder that understands how synchros work, I would stay away from a copper head disk. The op should just get a stage 1 and a stock unsprung disk as was first mentioned. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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Stage 2 HD daiken works for 7000 revs. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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maui wrote: |
Stage 2 HD daiken works for 7000 revs. |
'Stage 2 can be hard on the left leg in traffic. _________________ Glenn
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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7393
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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What is the difference between the Daiken b503a and b503b clutch discs and there are there any visible differences?
I have a Daiken disc in one of my engines and I believe it is the b503b, but I am not sure. I have another higher HP engine and have used a Copperhead in the past, but Scott's comments about the synchros and the weight of that disc have made me think twice. |
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maui Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 438
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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For me on Maui, traffic not a problem. |
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Mangala Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2018 Posts: 3 Location: Helsinki
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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74 Thing wrote: |
What is the difference between the Daiken b503a and b503b clutch discs and there are there any visible differences?
I have a Daiken disc in one of my engines and I believe it is the b503b, but I am not sure. I have another higher HP engine and have used a Copperhead in the past, but Scott's comments about the synchros and the weight of that disc have made me think twice. |
I bought disc from below site, they mentioned the disc is CB performance, But when I received the item, it is Daiken B503A with other number also there 6F21A. SO is this the CB performance Super clutch disc or something else? Some guys here mention Super disc is better than B503A. Are they mean copper head disc?
(https://www.coolairvw.co.uk/Item/Shop_by_Vehicle~Beetle_Products~Beetle_Gearbox_-P-_Clutch_Products~Clutch~Clutch_Discs~200mm/AC1411359/200mm_Super_Clutch_Disc.html) |
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Mangala Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2018 Posts: 3 Location: Helsinki
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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clonebug wrote: |
I found a Stage I and the CB Super Disc will hold 200 lb. ft. Torque to the wheels and 165 ft. lbs of torque checking with a torque wrench on the flywheel.
Your engine won’t come close to that unless you put a bunch of boost to it.
When I was testing the Daiken disk held less torque than the Super Disc.
YMMV. |
Are you mentioning copper head disc or super clutch disc? CB performance super clutch disc seems to be Daiken B503A. I bought it from coolairvw UK and received Daiken B503A. Even CB performance page also displayed the same disc? So Daiken B503A is more suits for street use than copper head? |
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Mangala Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2018 Posts: 3 Location: Helsinki
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Clutch/pressure plate advice needed |
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mcmscott wrote: |
As a trans builder that understands how synchros work, I would stay away from a copper head disk. The op should just get a stage 1 and a stock unsprung disk as was first mentioned. |
Hi Scott,
What is your opinion, Is Daiken B503A is good enough for occasionally street race? Is there any difference between CB performance Super clutch disc and Daiken B503A? Or are these disc s are same but differs only by numbers? |
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