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Buggeee Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Now, you all know the saying right?
By the time I am done, I will be ready to begin.
So the FIRST time I painted the face I was, well, less than patient.
I decided to throw out all the advice about painstaking preparation and multi-stage paint process that my cousin the retired career body man had been feeding me and said to myself - "Self, this is just a practice van."
I got a single stage enamel, I quickly sandblasted all surfaces lightly to "roughen them up" (OMG Whaaaat?). A little bondo there, a little epoxy primer here...
And then, that same evening, feeling real good but running out of sunlight, I figured it was time to immediately hit it with three heavy coats of enamel.
Looking good right?
That's because you are standing thirty-five feet away. LOL.
Lets walk up and admire the work...
Ohhhhh Nooooo. It's Shiitake Mushrooms. LMAO I suck!!!! I can't even show this thing in public at a campground.
Plus, now all the evening bugs are sticking to the front end like flypaper!!!
What to do, what to do... I've Got It! The paint gun is right here.
I will further bury this in a few more coats of epoxy primer and that should fill in the low spots right?
Hello?
Rough crowd. _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
72 Super Duper http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=672387
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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soo how many times you hit that towball sticking out with your shin. _________________
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Buggeee Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:55 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Well of course a few more heavy coats of epoxy primer over a few hastily applied heavy coats of enamel over a couple of coats of epoxy primer was not a recipe for success.
Six days later the nose of my van was still accepting my fingerprint as proper identification. Just press right here. Or here. Or anywhere. Its all thick playdough, and its all over the face of my van.
...so I hung my head, and I cried, and I hung up my paint gun and put the mess up on Craigslist and apologized to my wife and couldn't look my son in the face and...
Screw that!!!! I walked into my Garage and grabbed a gallon and a half of chemical paint stripper and went to work. For good measure I also bare metaled the hood of my bug - parked nose out in the apron of my driveway just to see the curtains pull back from the living room across the street (Tee Heee Heee). "Waz he up to now?"
I'll tell you what he's up to. He's going all in. He's in full COMMIT mode. He's bare-metalling the front of that mess of a camper AS WELL AS the bug in the driveway. That's what he's doing it. And he's doing it with good cheer. and he's doing it before sundown after work. So get in or get out of the way Peeps.
I decided this time around to take the time to do it right. Many steps, over many days, with different grits of paper and what not. Here's a shot of the sandable build primer as a post card from the experience.
And this time around its base coat / clear coat. Color on. Sand down the (minor) orange peel as needed between coats. Clear on.
Looking better right?
NO! Weren't you listening?
I'm talking full COMMIT here. Lets sand that clear a bit with million grit paper and go deeper in the mirror with more coats.
Oh yes. Here it is.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Some parts have arrived.
But before assembly of the nose, there is an eviction to be served.
I'll rest my fingers a spell and quote myself from another thread:
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I'm getting ready to assemble the nose after paint and figured I'd finally see what's inside this tube behind the grill before I button everything up.
Here it is... Heater Tube Stuffing.
Seems to be about a large paper grocery bag, volume wise. One part t-shirt rags, one part finely pulled fiberglass insulation and one part small black granules. Activated carbon maybe? Mine don't smell fresh anymore though.
GoWesty, Vanagain, BusDepot, VanCafe... nope. NLA? Bentley doesn't mention it so I figure its safe to run without.
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Buggeee Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4421 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Alrighty then, lets build this face:
Oh wait!
Hold on, I almost forgot. Yes, here it is. Forgot this but I'm really pleased with the idea. In addition to the outside seams, I sealed the backside of those fenders again
Before seam sealing I hit all the seams with internal frame coating. I also drilled two holes on the left as necessary and internally frame coated the bottom side of the windshield corners and the inside of the nose. The right side had access through the wiring grommets. I am sure my wiring is all jet black now but the sheet metal is sealed up. Then I plugged the holes with rubber plugs.
Ok, now lets build this front end!
If you look closely you will see that the right fender seam I welded in completely because the prior repair panel replacement was not sitting exactly square to the front hood and needed some metal work to get it straight, according to COMMIT. I did not care to try to create a fake seam there so that is my signature on the project now. _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Buggeee Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4421 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:25 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Good Eye
Good Eye
Yes, that is a fresh looking luggage rack in that last picture.
In the meantime, over a many week period, I had been working on the top down in the back yard.
Again, I quote myself:
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Here's how I did it and I am very satisfied with the results.
First I sprayed it with phosphoric acid metal prep, which also does a great job of getting the black off of the bottom of fiberglass boats.
Then I power washed it.
Then I used a skim coat of bondo to fill the cracks in the old gel coat. Just pressed into the on the cracks, not the whole top. The paint does not fill cracks so that's why I squeegeed the filler into the cracks. It worked great.
You can see in that last picture that this top was worn so bad that very little of the original gel coat remained up top. I did not sand all those exposed fibers, yet, that would have just torn into the top and made a mess imho.
I used gloss bright white Rustoleum brand topside paint for fiberglass boats, which I got in quarts shipped to me on Ebay. I want to say I used 3 quarts all together but it might have been 4. I built up a lot of coats as the top was so worn.
I sprayed it with my air compressor and a harbor freight $10 automotive spray gun, as I did not want to shoot this paint through my better gun. I thinned it with about 10% - 15% Xylene as recommended on the can (Not Lacquer thinner), and I used Xylene to clean the gun too. It does not respond well to lacquer thinner and makes a mess with that. If you don't have a spray gun then it can be rolled on and then "tipped" with a brush which is a technique used on boats and there are Youtube videos on that technique.
Here is after one coat. It looks pretty crappy.
Then the next day I dry sanded that lightly with 150 grit paper and shot it again. LIGHT coats. I did this like 5 or 6 times over the course of two weeks. You have to use LIGHT coats and let it dry at least 24 hours between coats or it does not cure and stays a soft goo. It's a frustrating test for your patience if you like to slam it out asap, which is how I'm wired. Just go Zen and give it a week or so to play out.
Each time I sprayed it, let it dry, and lightly sanded it, the fibers slowly disappeared and the gloss began to pop out. (If you have ever sanded and polyurethaned wood floors, its like that - where the loose fibers rise and harden with each coat, allowing them to be sanded away).
Here it is after three coats.
After 5 or 6 coats (I lost count) it was looking pretty good and I flipped it over to address the fuzzy anti-condensation underside. I killed a full bottle of Tilex shower mold and mildew remover and let it sit for a bit. All the dark spots and mold looking stuff just evaporated. It was a nice even light brown. Then, while still wet with the Tilex, I flipped it right side up and tipped it on saw horses to hold it at an angle and power washed the underside. I used a wide fan pattern on the power washer as I was afraid a pinpoint would blast off the fuzzy. It worked Great!
When it dried the fuzzy was all a really clean uniform very light ivory/tan.
Here are a couple of shots mounted on the van.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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really enjoying this thread. Subscribed. People don't always show their mistakes. I think its really useful to see what can go wrong and why it did.
As an old boss once told me, paraphrased poorly:
'if you never make a mistake, you won't learn how to fix the mistake thus you won't truly learn the process'
A portable sand blaster sure sounds like a great investment.
Keep us posted.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Of course, it needed canvas.
There are lots of threads on installing canvas. So, I won't test your patience any more than I have already with the ins and outs of it.
However, here's a bit I found useful and hadn't seen before. I suppose its out there already but I felt really good when the light-bulb went off and I figured this out.
I had stapled mine on the ground, right side in (whew, dodged that bullet!) and then had a few neighbors help me load the top onto the van.
I was having a hard time with the spring loaded support bar as it's sooo long and was really concerned about scratching the paint, until this happened:
Yes. I had a cup of coffee.
Huh? Oh the other thing. I folded over the support with one hand and threw some zip ties on it with the other hand (thereby proving that I have an opposable thumb, and know how to use it!)
Then I sat the roof on a clean bucket and set the support in place for installation. No muss. No fuss.
As for those stupid little round retaining clips on the pin at the bottom of the support rod, here's what I did (again, probably out there already). I used the right size socket to fit the outer lip of the clip, and then just squeezed it on with some channel locks. No muss. No fuss. (The first time I did this I was hammering it with a hammer like a dufuss. I liked the other support rod I had better so I got to do it again.)
Screwing down the bottom of the skirt is a PITA no matter what. Here's my take on it, said before.
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Just another voice in the wilderness here with the same experience as everyone. Right top, right side up, right sided neck pain with head squeezed into the home for socks and sweaty camping feet with a right angle thingy from harbor freight and a Phillips bit trying to find a teeny little hole. Its not as fun as it sounds, really.
But its done, and the fresh canvas looks great, all is forgotten! You can do it too whoever you are. Just break it up over a number of days. A few screws here and a few screws there. Again, not as fun as it sounds. |
Here are the results
For the record, I used a Bus Depot brand canvas top and I love its fit, I gratefully followed the excellent instructional videos and am very satisfied to be showing off the results at some future camp - Yay! _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
72 Super Duper http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=672387
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Details, details.
I had to replace the washer pump. Before I could replace the washer pump, I had to make up a bracket from some gas tank strap because the tabs had long ago cracked on the bottle. So...
The first time through I could not figure out why I was not getting water from the nozzles. I started to de-bug the wiring and was about to get into the wiper switch on the column when.... I discovered wiper fluid all over the lower front of my van pouring out of the grill. Huh?
Here is what I found:
PO PO PO WTF????
Up to NAPA for some hose.
Also, as a bit of background, I had stumbled on the following link at some point:
https://www.transportermagazine.com/2017/01/10/upgrading-vanagon-windshield-squirters/
In which a Vanagon hack is laid out using windshield nozzles from a Suzuki Sx4, part number 38480-56K00. Each nozzle has three nozzles! I got some.
Check this out:
Cool right? I know. It's Bitchin.
You know how many pictures I took trying to capture that? A lot!!! Its ok though I get a discount on film and developing at Walgreens. (If you even cracked a smile at that you are ancient my friend).
You know how long it took me to adjust all those nozzles? An hour!!! You know how much wiper fluid I went through before I went to wasting plain water? Three gallons. Then I had to do it again because water sprays differently than wiper fluid. Take my word for it, or do it again. Those are your choices.
It was worth it. I used this, which was left over from my top install:
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Joined: December 22, 2016 Posts: 4421 Location: Stuck in Ohio
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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I am catching up in time so this next part is still a little fresh to talk about really but the fuel system had arrived while I was making it water tight and with a pretty face.
While I had the tank out, I decided to freshen up and protect, to some degree, the underbelly of this ancient but mostly dry camper.
So I soaked the whole undercarriage in phosphoric acid and then power washed it
A couple weeks later I sprayed everything I could get to internally with two foot long tubes spraying Eastwood internal frame coating and externally with Eastwood Chassis Black.
Some people like to lay on their back and look at stars. However, I also like to lay on my back and look at this ("Be right there in a minute Honey!")
That picture also serves as proof that I replaced the shifter bushings while I had access with the tank out. Look closely right in the center, the only colorful object. Thank you very much. I think so too.
Also taking pictures of stuff coming apart is a really good thing to do. It had been months since I dropped that tank some of the details had gotten fuzzy on me.
Here I am trying to figure it out with the Bentley, not having much luck.
And here I am trying to figure it out with a picture I took at the time, now printed out in black and white as my own supplemental insert to the green book, BINGO
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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As an aside, it was cold out one night and I broke the top off one of the float valves on the passenger expansion tank trying to get it installed.
Shiitake.
Bet its NLA. I buried it in two part 2,000 lb strength epoxy, covered it in Gorilla Tape and submitted to being some other owner's prior owner, if you know what I mean. Forgive me, I was tired.
When I woke up I did the research, ordered a new float valve, and made it right.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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All new injectors going in!!! (the old will be sent out for rehab and kept as replacements)
Of course, seals too. All new rubber fuel hose, plastic fuel hose, fuel pump, filter, all vapor hoses, intake boot, throttle body seal. EVERYTHING.
Here's pics of my twisted mistake in assuming I was replacing all the lines with the rubber hose kit, cutting out the plastic tubing as well. OH MY. I was a few inches short on the last run. lol.
What? Are you kidding me? But I just said I did it
Fine. I'll go push the freakin' racoon outta my garbage pail and dig it out then.
Here, its all I could get to without soiling my good clothes!
More? Fine then. But I'm putting a tarp down its muddy.
Now that is before I swapped in the post-pump larger filter kit from Go Westy. I wanted the original (but new) square filter I had on hand to catch any assembly BS when I fired it up. (BTW that pump is not hooked up downstream in that picture, don't hurt your eyes trying to figure it out, thats the shipping protection on the exit tube). _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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Couple things.
First about clamps. I read the debates and then just stuck with the originals.
Why?
Because engine patina is the next thing.
Actually its because they were not rusty at all and I really liked the shape of them with the fully rounded edges, check it:
I also decided to slip a little gasket material in between the EGR valve and the air distribution box. The EGR is long gone on my van and I want to eliminate any potential vacuum source.
Here is some gratuitous gas tank porn for y'all
Oh yeah. _________________ 1966 Sportsmobile Camper https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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What else, what else.
Oh yes the exhaust. So the heater boxes actually checked out just fine to me. So I got a cheapo Empi faux merge muffler to throw on there for the neighbors, knowing full well I'll be pulling it off to sandblast and ceramic paint in the spring.
But here's the catch.
One side the bolts are rusted in there. Check.
But the other side the bolts are cracked off and the flanges are welded together.
Mother Effer PO. Dang, drop a dolla on her wouldja?
I stared at this for a while and then got out the grinder, going in from the rear.
On the driver's side I goofed up the flange a bit with the sawzall so I had to bust out the MIG.
Now both sides are ready.
Bolt her up.
Stupid Empi. Stupid PO welded on trailer hitch reinforcement (which I actually like )
So, a little floor jack handle fab.
Good to go.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: My Aircooled Vanagon: Hated by All, Loved by Buggeee |
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The first time through I could not figure out why I was not getting water from the nozzles. ....
Here is what I found:
PO PO PO WTF????
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Or, rodents
BTDT
Neil.
On my '81 westy. Rodent nest and severed washer fluid hose in front of brake booster
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