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jhodgson Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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I got my spring plates re-indexed at last. Thanks for the help.
Now all I need is to get some drive to those wheels.
The stock CV joints don't seem to quite cut it in terms of travel, so after reading many posts I got myself some type 2 conversion flanges for the transmission side and some type 2 CV joints and disassembled my stock axles.
When I went to put the works together, though, Lo and behold, the type 2 CV joints are a couple of mils too big to fit the stock bug axles. I wouldn't be able to get the circlip on. Son of a monkey.
Should I grab the conversion stub axles for the wheel end and just run a type 2 drive axle end to end? If so, any idea where I can find the right length type 2 axle? My stock IRS bug axles are 16 3/8 long.
Or should I order some new shafts and run type 2 joints inboard and type 1 at the wheel? Like these shafts here: https://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac525201.html
If I go that route, should it worry me that the axles don't have shoulders on them like my stock type 1 ones do?
Or do I need type 4 axles?
So confused. Thanks again in advance.
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12848 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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Source some 1984 or earlier Porsche 924/944 C.V. joints, driveshafts, & axle stubs and then get bus-to-bug conversion output flanges for the transmission.
https://www.mooreparts.com/empi-16-2299-vw-convers...oint-pair/
Just out of curiosity, do you have any downward travel left in the suspension? It looks like it’s pretty topped out at the moment. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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jhodgson Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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I already have the bug to bus conversion flanges.
This is the first I've heard of 924 in this context. They're 100mm cv joints like the bus ones, I'm guessing?
Why those rather than the bus or 930? Thanks! |
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jhodgson Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Just out of curiosity, do you have any downward travel left in the suspension? It looks like it’s pretty topped out at the moment. |
Going by my laser eyeball I'd say it's about as much as it was before I indexed the spring plates. There's not a ton, but not none. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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The 924/944 are 100mm but supposedly are able to withstand just a bit more angle than the Bus. The axles are the perfect length and the stubs are exactly what you need. I have more faith in the factory bits than any of the current Chinese conversion crap. You could source all of this from a Thing also but oddly enough, the used Porsche stuff can typically be found cheaper. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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Dark Earth Samba Member
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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jhodgson wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
Just out of curiosity, do you have any downward travel left in the suspension? It looks like it’s pretty topped out at the moment. |
Going by my laser eyeball I'd say it's about as much as it was before I indexed the spring plates. There's not a ton, but not none. |
If you didn't notch the spring plates, the you're probably topped out in travel.
Put a jack under the torsion housing, jack it up & see how much the car raises before the tire comes off the ground.
If its less than1-2" then you'll experience constant banging against the stop or topping the shock out. This can also lead to traction issues as the suspension will have more issues trying to keep the tires on the ground when the car crosses up on irregular surfaces. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
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jhodgson Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
If you didn't notch the spring plates. |
I did. I'm lucky in that I have the dual plates so I have extra strength for lots of notch. Like I said they have around the same sag as they had stock.
Not super worried about poor traction. Won't be doing any serious driving in this car except around the farm.
Yeah there's a lot of info on there. Been looking at it for days. |
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mr_bill Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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SWAY-A-WAY center adjuster solves ALL the adjustment problems......just say'n _________________ see ya' on the trail........
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dirtkeeper Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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I think people run the stock axle without the clip.
I bought some SAW axles a long time ago so that's what i use, but i think they are the same length as stock. Only the splinse are longer and i'm pretty sure i don't have clips on them.
Empi makes a "race" type 2 cv that has i think a 21 Degree articulation. That's what i'm using. But the ones you have are going to be fine as long as they don t bind up at full droop. |
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Mal evolent Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:40 am Post subject: Re: 1970 IRS bug with 3" lift. What drive axle? |
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what you need are Thing rear axles. they have longer splines to go with the Type 2 CV joints _________________ 73 Beetle Baja, Ghia front brakes, Type 3 rear brakes, 2220 ( 94 X 80 ), Weber Progressive, Bosch SVDA, '97 Mustang seats
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