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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:46 pm Post subject: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? The mating surface to the spigot is 94mm, but the undercut's dimension tapers down to about 88.3mm (.104" wall thickness). Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued? _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9651 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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Probably for material and weight savings. The full-diameter top end locates the cylinder within the head with just a hair side clearance to the combustion chamber bore. The heads are probably just deep enough that no additional cooling fin would fit that is higher than the current top one. Reducing the neck of the cylinder top from the full diameter down to the 88.3mm would save a few ounces of weight and iron per cylinder. Multiplied by 4 cylinders, then by the many production years of the 1500 engine in the type 3 and then the Beetle, the savings would be considerable. Gallery shot:
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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Thanks. Someone else hypothesized that as well. Seems like a poor way to save money though, especially in such a crucial area that actually sees a great deal of heat and friction. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1349 Location: S.W. MI
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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No money saved there, that was machined in, so actually more cost per cylinder, I would guess more surface area to dissipate more heat. _________________ 73 Type 181
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FeelthySanchez Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 1349 Location: Now is that a real poncho, or a Sears poncho?
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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bugguy1967 wrote: |
On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued? |
Decades ago, many sizes of OEM & ersatz cylinders sported this heavy top undercut - a clever feature that discouraged reboring them oversize. _________________
modok wrote: |
I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
Ryan Tucker wrote: |
Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove |
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FeelthySanchez wrote: |
bugguy1967 wrote: |
On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued? |
Decades ago, many sizes of OEM & ersatz cylinders sported this heavy top undercut - a clever feature that discouraged reboring them oversize. |
Interesting! Thanks. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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