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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? The mating surface to the spigot is 94mm, but the undercut's dimension tapers down to about 88.3mm (.104" wall thickness). Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

Probably for material and weight savings. The full-diameter top end locates the cylinder within the head with just a hair side clearance to the combustion chamber bore. The heads are probably just deep enough that no additional cooling fin would fit that is higher than the current top one. Reducing the neck of the cylinder top from the full diameter down to the 88.3mm would save a few ounces of weight and iron per cylinder. Multiplied by 4 cylinders, then by the many production years of the 1500 engine in the type 3 and then the Beetle, the savings would be considerable. Gallery shot:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

Thanks. Someone else hypothesized that as well. Seems like a poor way to save money though, especially in such a crucial area that actually sees a great deal of heat and friction.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

No money saved there, that was machined in, so actually more cost per cylinder, I would guess more surface area to dissipate more heat.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

bugguy1967 wrote:
On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued?
Decades ago, many sizes of OEM & ersatz cylinders sported this heavy top undercut - a clever feature that discouraged reboring them oversize.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 83mm Cylinders - Head End Groove Reply with quote

FeelthySanchez wrote:
bugguy1967 wrote:
On a 83mm 1500 cylinder, what is the purpose of that undercut below the mating surface at the head end? Why so thin? Was it meant to conform better to the cylinder head when torqued?
Decades ago, many sizes of OEM & ersatz cylinders sported this heavy top undercut - a clever feature that discouraged reboring them oversize.


Interesting! Thanks.
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