Will a pict 30-3 work with 009 distributor?

[TomWesty]

I’ve run Compufire for nearly 25 years with zero problems. Never have to gap them or check the dwell. Not even a shadow of doubt in their reliability if properly installed. One less maintenance item to even think about. Don’t know how many sets of points I would have replaced in that amount of time. No rubbing block to break because nothing touches the cam...Robbie, if you’re ever through Casper I’ll show you some tips on static timing.
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[wihr]

As I have noted several times, I have used my Crane/Allison XR700 electronic ignition for over 35 years and over 250,000 miles with no problems. Well worth the $124.50 they are asking for the unit today.

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[garybdmd]

I'm guessing I have a 1969 bus that came with a 30 PICT 2 and a 205M or T. I'm wondering if looking at the carb base flange will help determine which one the bus originally came with. I don't see many M's for sale, more Ts.

"30 PICT 2 mates to a 113 905 205 M for 1968-1969"

So just to be sure before I buy, it looks to me like the 205M and 205T can be interchanged, since the only difference is the rotor and cap? The vacuum canister should pull and advance the same in either distributor.

Distributor points condensor cap rotor vacuum can
113905205M 01013 02069+ 03001 04006 07024
113905205T 01013 02069+ 03010 04033** 07024
**usually supersedes 04012

Thanks everyone.

[tasb]

Yes that is correct.

Points should last at least 30k miles with occasional maintenance. That's about $20 for 100,000 miles. Grease the points rubbing block, a drop of oil on the pivot, check for tits on the contacts and file if necessary. Look for NOS points not brand new.
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[tasb]

I had some time to conduct a survey of my cores. It wasn't wasted time since I need to clean them up for rebuilding anyway. I have a total of 65 core 113 905 205 M and T re-buildable distributors at this time. Nineteen of them are 113 M's and 47 of them are 113 T's. That's enough for a representative sample. It's a bit hard to read the date stamps on the aluminum bodied distributors, the stampings are pretty light compared to the cast iron bodies. A good magnifying glass was necessary- at least for me.

910 = October 1969

Four of the 113 M bodies had no date stamping or were unreadable. The same can be said for 23 of the 113 T's. That leaves us with 15 x 113 M's and 24 x 113 T's with readable date stamps.

113 905 205 M date stamps:
709 September 1967
711
712
802 x 3 February 1968
803
804
805 x 3
806 x 3
808 the latest of the 113 M's August 1968

113 905 205 T date stamps:
809 September 1968 the earliest 113 T
810
811
812
902 February 1969
905 x 2
906
907
910
912
021 x 4 January 1970
022
023
024
025
027
121 January 1971 replacement distributor?
530 October 1975 replacement distributor?

Clearly the 113 905 205 M distributors were in service from the beginning until the end of the model year 1968. The 113 905 205 T distributors were clearly in service from the beginning of model year 1969 until the end of model year 1970. There does not appear to be any overlap. The 113 T's were produced after the end of model year 1970 probably as service replacements. I have three service department replacement distributors, two 111 905 205 AA's date stamped 126 or June 1971 and 223 or March 1973. I have one June 1972, 315 905 205 B date code: 206. Clearly these two replacements were both produced during the same time period.

I present this research and findings not to argue or fight. I was trained as a scientist for the U S Forest Service and later as a teacher so it's in my blood to analyze and interpret. At best I am relieved that I have not been misinforming the hobby.

In order to perhaps, recoup some of the two hours spent compiling this data if someone wants a month/year correct distributor restored for their jewel I will keep the piles separated for a week so date correct parts can be found. After that they will all go back into the pile together. The price for a restored distributor is $79 shipped without tune up parts or $149 ready to install tested on my Sun Machine. you can PM me. My limiting factor is good working vacuum canisters.
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[tasb]

In 1966-67 there was a distributor 131 905 205 with no letter suffix. It was universally installed on the type II bus. Many buses received the 113 905 205 K and the two distributors are identical except for the part number stamping. It wasn't until 1971 that the bus got it's own distributor VW # 211 905 205 Q which was a DVDA.

There are exceptions, as always. Some were destined for places other than North America like the 211 905 205 N, P, S and some others that I have forgotten that were in use in the mid or late 1960's. They do occasionally show up here in the states.
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1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse

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[garybdmd]

Thanks everyone for the great information and advice.

I bought a rebuilt 205T distributor from tasb that matches the month/year. Its one of the only parts not original on my bus so I wanted to pick one up. My wife bought for it for me for Christmas.

Also, in the meantime, I am running this 009 distributor and I wanted to try out the magnetic/electronic points. So I bought a simple kit from Central California Distributors. The brand ended up being called "Kuhltek Motorwerks" It was $30 for the kit. I installed today and they seem to work great.

It took me a while to get it running because I had to turn the distributor a lot, probably about 15 degrees or so counter clockwise just to get it to start. I checked the tdc using a pencil and cylinder number 3. I filed a little notch at 30 degrees and marked it.

I hear you are supposed to time it at 3500 rpm. I don't have a tachometer, so I just revved it very high until the distributor would not advance anymore and I set that at 30 degrees (46.5mm measured with a tape measure). At idle, the advance ended up falling down to 7.5 degrees.

TDC seemed to match up well with the sticker on the fan shroud.

[tasb]

The 009 is usually well in before 3500 rpm. The idea is to reach maximum advance when you are at full throttle without over-advancing. When you receive the 113 T you will static time it at close to 0 degrees static= engine standing still. Just as your fan shroud sticker indicates. Then use your timing light to verify that you are not over advancing past 32 degrees. The preferred method of distributor timing is different from a mechanical advance to a vacuum advance.
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1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse

[garybdmd]

I got the distributor from tasb and he did a great job, looks beautiful and very smooth turning by hand. Just wanted to thank everyone and tasb for the help. I also got a kick out of these 2 videos. For a lot of you, maybe its basic, but I'm just studying how carbs work for the first time. I found these original training videos very helpful.

Vintage VW Training Film - Carb Adjustment (Part 1)
https://youtu.be/XOxxS1EMphU

Vintage VW Training Film - Carb Adjustment (Part 2)
https://youtu.be/KWdZSr7x81w