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mojan_n Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2018 Posts: 144 Location: Fremont
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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This is my first bug that I bought it couple month ago.
I think the gas pedal is too sensitive. Specially when I知 in first gear if I depress the gas pedal just a little bit the car starts raving up too fast.
Is there any way to make the gas pedal less sensitive?
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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This can be caused by a broken front transmission mount. As soon as the engine rocks from getting a little gas, it pulls the accelerometer cable even more and amplifies the action at the carb. |
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mojan_n Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2018 Posts: 144 Location: Fremont
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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KTPhil wrote: |
This can be caused by a broken front transmission mount. As soon as the engine rocks from getting a little gas, it pulls the accelerometer cable even more and amplifies the action at the carb. |
I have checked that front trans mount is good. Is just the car revs up very quickly or in better way gas pedal is very sensitive. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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How did you check the mount? Visually doesn't cut it; you have to jack it up or have someone follow you and watch your tailpipes when you floor it in a low gear.
Do you have a stock carb and pedal, or something aftermarket?
Is the pedal assembly clean and not bent or broken?
Return springs (carb and pedal) connected correctly? |
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h~moto Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2008 Posts: 317 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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What year is your car? There was a change in the accelerator pedal system during the 1966 model year. |
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andk5591 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 16757 Location: State College, PA
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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You can loosen the cable at the carb a little, but the car rocking needs further investigation as mentioned. Usually the rear mounts are gone. Have an autostick on the lift right now that had that and the rear mounts visually didnt look real bad, but once we pulled them out, the one side was in 2 pieces. _________________ D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
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slalombuggy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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Install a heavier throttle return spring on the carb, or double up the factory ones.
brad |
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mojan_n Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2018 Posts: 144 Location: Fremont
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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slalombuggy wrote: |
Install a heavier throttle return spring on the carb, or double up the factory ones.
brad |
Sure I値l try that.... have you done it before? |
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FeelthySanchez Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2011 Posts: 1349 Location: Now is that a real poncho, or a Sears poncho?
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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Had this nuisance/problem decades ago, & adding more throttle return spring pressure didn't help at all: the solid-wire throttle cable was galling inside the tube.
Check the mouth of the throttle cable tube precisely @ the arrow for any signs of grooving or abrasion, usually noted around the 09:00 position.
For the record, braided cables from later models seem less prone to this nasty habit, & it never hurts to add a dab of heavy grease to the tube's ID w/ a Q-Tip:
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I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
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Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
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mojan_n Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2018 Posts: 144 Location: Fremont
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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FeelthySanchez wrote: |
Had this nuisance/problem decades ago, & adding more throttle return spring pressure didn't help at all: the solid-wire throttle cable was galling inside the tube.
Check the mouth of the throttle cable tube precisely @ the arrow for any signs of grooving or abrasion, usually noted around the 09:00 position.
For the record, braided cables from later models seem less prone to this nasty habit, & it never hurts to add a dab of heavy grease to the tube's ID w/ a Q-Tip:
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I値l check it tonight. What痴 the solution, only grease?
Thank you. |
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FeelthySanchez Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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mojan_n wrote: |
I値l check it tonight. What痴 the solution, only grease? Thank you. |
Not always.
Worst case: the tube may need a sight tweaking: Pull the cable rearward, & keep it out of the way.
Slip a tapered punch (anything like a nail set, drift, prick punch, etc) into the tube from the front end, & then slightly bend it away from centerline. Fair warning - this tubing is soft.
Those that have given me fits over the decades were the solid wire throttle cables from pre-65 or so, & seems the tubes appreciated a slight left/outboard bend. _________________
modok wrote: |
I would like if you had enough clue to communicate what you are doing. |
Ryan Tucker wrote: |
Enough clue..Whats that mean? |
OldIronSpine wrote: |
I'm not sure how compression works.
Turbos don't produce torque, they produce HP. Instead of torque.
The real problem with NA engines is you don't hear the nice whine of the turbo as it spools up.
Before I commit, I'm going to do more research because I don't really know what piston rings are. |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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mojan_n wrote: |
slalombuggy wrote: |
Install a heavier throttle return spring on the carb, or double up the factory ones.
brad |
Sure I値l try that.... have you done it before? |
Yes ive done this before one of my bugs that had a very light pedal.
On my race car i have 2 springs on each of the 51EPC carbs, one on the linkage and one on the pedal. It's almost as much work pushin the gas as the clutch LOL
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herbie1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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The spring should be adjusted at the MINIMUM force, just enough to return pedal in the initial position.
All the force provided by the spring acts directly on the carburetor bushing, that worns itself until idling is no more stable.
A lot of carburetors are ruined due to a too-strong adjusting of the return string.
Note: 28Pict1 carburetors have no vertical spring so they do not suffer of this erasure. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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Op,
Is this just a case of, when you are in 1st gear. You tap the pedal and the car lurches forward?
Then you try to adjust your footing on the pedal you find the car kinda bucks a bit.
When the inertia of the first buck sends you back into the seat padding and then when you take your foot off the pedal, the deceleration causes you to hit the pedal again?
Starting the bucking motion that you can't overcome until you take your foot off the pedal so things settle down.
When I learned to drive a stick shift 49 years ago. The tube framed sand rail I was learning in. Had a roller pedal. It sucked! The thing bucked all over the beach. I hated that rail.
If this is your case. Try letting the right side of your accelerator foot, glide along the carpet on the tunnel while applying pressure to the pedal. The friction should reduce, the bucking issue.
If this is what your experiencing.
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pbenn Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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OP: on the trans mount check, a trick I have seen is to grab the exhaust pipes and try to move the engine up and down. Movement equals bad mounts, more or less. |
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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My "trick" for checking for a bad front mount is to drive the car in 2nd gear like 20 MPH or so, then start stomping on and letting off the gas pedal, while holding tight on the gearshift lever. If you can feel the lever jumping all over the place, bad front mount.
20MPH is kind of sweet spot for the syndrome described above about the drivetrain shifting back and forth with a bad front mount. Last time I had this problem, I found it IMPOSSIBLE to hold 20MPH in school zones in 2nd gear. _________________ Andy T.
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mojan_n Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Op,
Is this just a case of, when you are in 1st gear. You tap the pedal and the car lurches forward?
Then you try to adjust your footing on the pedal you find the car kinda bucks a bit.
When the inertia of the first buck sends you back into the seat padding and then when you take your foot off the pedal, the deceleration causes you to hit the pedal again?
Starting the bucking motion that you can't overcome until you take your foot off the pedal so things settle down.
When I learned to drive a stick shift 49 years ago. The tube framed sand rail I was learning in. Had a roller pedal. It sucked! The thing bucked all over the beach. I hated that rail.
If this is your case. Try letting the right side of your accelerator foot, glide along the carpet on the tunnel while applying pressure to the pedal. The friction should reduce, the bucking issue.
If this is what your experiencing.
Good Luck. |
What you explained is exactly the issue I have. Except that my pedal is OEM not roller pedal.Thanks. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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I suspected so.
Try what I typed. Lay your right foot against then tunnel when pressing on the pedal. You should get better control from the friction of the carpet or the rubber mat.
This situation, is why I like my later (67 ) accelerator pedal.
But for what it is worth. Even my car (me) does what I have described above too, when I press the pedal too quickly.
Really. It takes practice. You'll get it. I have had 49 years to perfect the pedal roll/drag on the tunnel method.
You have had 4 months.
You can try the stiffer throttle spring for a bit. But after a while. You'll get tired of overcoming the spring pressure and go back to the stock setup. Especially during a long drive.
Say from Fremont to L.A. and back. That'll wear you out!
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Gas pedal too sensitive |
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It's been asked, but what year is your car? Later models had an improved pedal linkage. The old design was prone to wear, jamming, excess play, which can cause jumpiness. The "z" linkage had to be clean, aligned, not worn or bent, and positioned perfectly with the correct spring and other hardware.
How about posting a photo of your pedal assembly, especially the pivot and linkage parts? |
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