Type IV in 1970 Bus.

[Jmtr]

I have been searching Google and The Samba for information on putting a 2056 Type IV from a 914 in a pre 1972 Bus but can't find anything helpful, so I thought I should ask the experts. I know the engine tin is different but not sure if the sheetmetal in the engine compartment pre Type IV era can be made to fit.
Thanks.

[aeromech]

Well, I’ve gone one direction but not the other.

Pause.... xvevin?

Just kidding but I’ve put an older engine in a newer bus but never a newer engine in an older bus. They should bolt up as far as engine mating with transmission. Don’t know how the rear hanger would work or the tin. They make conversion tin but I’ve never seen T4 in a T1 bus. I have seen them in a Baja bug but those leave off a lot of tin.
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[Jmtr]

That's mostly what I saw as well, T1's in T4's but not the other way around.

[vwwestyman]

I know that Jake Raby developed a kit to install a Type IV into a Type I hole.
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[SGKent]

let us know how it goes once you price T4 parts.
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[Xevin]

I dunno. Maybe seek out Joe Cali

https://vwparts.aircooled.net/Type-4-Upright-Conve...manual.htm
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[Bagger04]

Spike0180 bought a 70 with a 1700 type iv in it. Maybe he will chime in with some insite. He changed his back to type 1

[Bleyseng]

Get the DTM kit for the upright fan kit. You will need a 210mm flywheel as the 914 one won't work. You have to pull out the spacer in the crank and install the little bearing, the main cylinder tin will have to be cut to fit the engine compartment seal as you will need to keep the tin with the different sparkplug holes. Yes, the sparkplugs location are way different than a bus type 4. Keep the dizzy as it is the best for the engine. What carbs are you going with or are you keeping the Djet fuel injection? I am sure keeping the Djet would be the best.
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[Jmtr]

I have considered the DTM kit but this engine is finished and didn't want to drill into the case for the alternator stand. If I use the Bus engine tin I would weld up the spark plug holes and drill new ones.
From searching images it looks like the engine compartment is much different from those that came with the type IV. Does the engine compartment sheetmetal that surrounds the engine tin unbolt? Some pictures I have seen look like it does.

[airschooled]

I see a few hurdles here too. I don't man to sound like a Debbie Downer!

Type 4's are wider and require cutting on 68-71 buses just to fit. Type 4's need a 5/8" longer input shaft in the transaxle. The engine hangers will have to be fabricated to use the early bay ears. (Plus side of that is that can have two sets of rubber engine mounts, and that would be ultra-smooth!) You'll have to cut the Type 1 air filter stand off, but please do it carefully because folks need them for restorations.

What do you mean about the spark plug holes? Type 4 in an early bay doesn't require any mods in that department. The engine itself is too wide, tin or not, so the engine compartment metal on the car has to be cut. I do not remember if the removable rear apron (!) on early bays needs to be cut.

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[Jmtr]

Thanks for the info Robbie, just what I was looking for. The reference to the spark plug holes was for the engine tin. I think different engine size Type IV's have the spark plug holes in a different spot than a 914 2.0
It sounds like I should just find a bus that uses a Type IV.

[airschooled]

The 914 heads have a different intake bolt pattern, but I don’t think they had different plug angles...

EDIT: They do!
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[Jmtr]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's not worth the hassle.

[Zed999]

[soissisc]

I have a type 4 in my 68. I did the Joe Cali upright conversion. I have ran it that way since 02 or 03. There was some Fab work involved but no cutting of body sheet metal or anything. It fit right in there. I ran a 3 rib trans meant for a T 4 ( from a 72 bus) so I did not have any problems with input shaft length or anything. The trans is showing signs of rebuild time in it's near future (whirring sound in first gear) so I am in process of going back to a stock T1 set up.

It was a fun project back then that gave our family a lot of fun and reliable trips. We are a family of 6 and we carried a lot of stuff on trips and even pulled a small trailer to haul all of the kids stuff. But everyone is getting older and in college / working, and more of them like to drive their own cars on vacation and bring friends etc so less load cruising in the bus so we are going back to stock type 1.

Let me know if you have any questions. I am eventually going to be selling my conversion stuff over the winter as I get everything back to stock. It is all home made per Joe Cali method, but I did work in a tool and die shop so it isn't too terrible for the most part haha.

I would recommend it from experience.
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[airschooled]

Thanks for the info Ray, I didn't know the 914 had so many variances.

It's a shame that the two T4-in-early bay conversions I've seen had the engine compartment cut then, if it wasn't necessary. When modifying stuff, always go for the cheapest part first…

Robbie
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