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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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I’d think the August 1/57 would be considered a 1958 model year by VW |
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David Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2004 Posts: 2027 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
bloo62 wrote: |
Hi all
my large window 57 is chassis no. 1779028 body no. 151255
I think its a December 57 |
Yours is a '58 model so has no significance to this thread. |
Since he's based in the UK, do they still consider it 'Year of Manufacture' instead of 'Model Year'?
I mean, know it's a '58 since it's a square window, not Oval, but maybe for motor vehicle registration. _________________ Cheers,
Dave
*October '54 Ragtop
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Mike Peckham Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Worthing UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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bwaz wrote: |
Mike Peckham wrote: |
My Oval window beetle is chassis No. 1595236. Built 13/07/1957 and first registered in the UK 23/07/1957.
Interestingly, the first owner was an employee of the VW dealership where he ordered the car, and he was shocked and disappointed to find that his new beetle was superseded by a new model when it was only two weeks old. Such was the secrecy concerning the release of the big window beetle. |
Any idea to the engine number? |
Yes: 1922450 |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Mike Peckham wrote: |
My Oval window beetle is chassis No. 1595236. Built 13/07/1957 and first registered in the UK 23/07/1957.
Interestingly, the first owner was an employee of the VW dealership where he ordered the car, and he was shocked and disappointed to find that his new beetle was superseded by a new model when it was only two weeks old. Such was the secrecy concerning the release of the big window beetle. |
Any idea to the engine number? |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4094
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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bloo62 wrote: |
Hi all
my large window 57 is chassis no. 1779028 body no. 151255
I think its a December 57 |
Yours is a '58 model so has no significance to this thread. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Mike Peckham Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Worthing UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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My Oval window beetle is chassis No. 1595236 Engine No. 1922450 Built 05/07/1957 left the factory 10/07/1957 and first registered in the UK 23/07/1957.
Interestingly, the first owner was an employee of the VW dealership where he ordered the car, and he was shocked and disappointed to find that his new beetle was superseded by a new model when it was only two weeks old. Such was the secrecy concerning the release of the big window beetle.
EDIT: Engine number added and build date amended as per Birth Cert. 03/11/19
Last edited by Mike Peckham on Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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bloo62 Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2013 Posts: 4 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Hi all
my large window 57 is chassis no. 1779028 body no. 151255
I think its a December 57 |
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staale Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2008 Posts: 1 Location: norway
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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I dont own this car,but I found this in the sales records at the vw dealership where i work:
ch.nr 1598590. engine nr: 1937423.
Delivered August 2nd.1957. |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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went through all my old hot vw's and couldn't find that article with what claims to be the last oval. Anyone ever see it? There's a late 57 for sale on old bug
http://www.oldbug.com/glab.htm which has a serial number of 1594590 with original engine 1932585. Getting pretty late if last is 1600439. Mine square window is a 1601113 serial number |
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carnut63 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 336 Location: Murrieta, CA & Everett, WA
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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I’ve got 1593819.
Doesn’t have the original engine though. _________________ Tyson
---> Mar 2 1955 Strato Silver Oval <---
---> July 1957 ragtop project <---
---> May 5 1966 Ghia <---
---> 1962 Ruby Red Deluxe (sold) |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Lind wrote: |
Back in the '90s, someone from Australia wrote a letter that was published in HotVWs where they claimed to have the last oval window produced.
Someone should send away for the birth certificate. |
have to start digging through my old HotVW's |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:08 am Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Kjell Roar wrote: |
Read the progressive refinements in Technical section, thats probably closest to the VIN or production cars. But of course they normally built some prototypes before that. |
I hope that someone may eventually show up with a close vin # to my car.. to get me as close as I can. Between finding a number within maybe 100 cars, and finding that old block, I know it's not going to be easy. |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9915 Location: idaho
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Back in the '90s, someone from Australia wrote a letter that was published in HotVWs where they claimed to have the last oval window produced.
Someone should send away for the birth certificate. _________________ .
Wanted:
Idaho VW license plate frames or other dealership items.
VWoA literature and early dealership or distributor literature/pictures/information
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leowagen Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2018 Posts: 171 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Mine is 1511544 and motor is 1819990 (both seem to be April '57).
I don't even bother in posting a picture since it has a later big window body on... |
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Kjell Roar Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2008 Posts: 1326 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:14 am Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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Read the progressive refinements in Technical section, thats probably closest to the VIN or production cars. But of course they normally built some prototypes before that. _________________ I got a historic car, every scratch got a history...
My car, Aug. 4th, 1955 / an early 56: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=610438 |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:40 am Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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I found an old thread from 2008 that sheds some light on one of the earliest square windows...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
There are some conflicting numbers... as the Samba shows the last car in July 1957 as serial number #1600846, but I've seen it elsewhere as the last car of July was #1600439.
On this site from 2002, https://web.archive.org/web/20050114173130/http://www.squarewindowregistry.org/featured/2002-08/
It shows a square window beetle with vin 1600831, which is before the 1600846 shown on the Samba?
According to the VW brochure "what year is this" it shows the last beetle in July 57 as being 1600439. That would make more sense if the first square window was VIN 1600440.
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bwaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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yes its an oval, not sure if birth certificate was in hand |
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h~moto Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2008 Posts: 317 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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someone with a later euro confirmed to me with their car |
Is this an oval?
Are numbers confirmed with a birth certificate?
Is the date it was built known?
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Progressive refinements says a car with serial 1585100 built July 10 would have engine 1926145 |
I think what PR is saying is that 10,000 engines had a change to the oil cooler and then it went back to how it was. Not sure that all these engines were built on July 10th. PR says that on July 9th (1 day earlier) there was a change at engine number 1934104 (a higher number).
I don't think that Progressive Refinements is an exact science. PR states that the square window started on August 1st at 1600440 but the month end figures lists the last July car as 1600846.
I don't think that engines were issued in a continuous order, but if you go by chassis number, your car falls between 1600846 (engine # 1937052) and 1601517 (engine # 1939746). That would put it at 2694 engines. |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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someone with a later euro confirmed to me with their car,
serial number #1599686
Engine #1926809
Body# 582287
that's pretty late!
In the engine section of Progressive refinements, it says a car with serial
1585100 built July 10 would have engine 1926145
also PR says
1601517 built Aug 2 would have engine 1939746
Samba says
1600846 built July 31 would have engine 1937052
So its possible 671 cars apart would have engines 2694 apart, although I know these motors went into buses and ghias too...
I'm trying to mate a close motor to my beetle, built July 15/57, has serial number 1601113... and is an early square window. Trying to guess on a close 36 hp block to build. So, so far, after 1926809 and before 1937052, but 10243 motors is still a pretty big gap. |
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bwaz Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 1780
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: does anyone here own the last oval beetle? |
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tekla wrote: |
My 57 euro 1598986 very close to the end. |
Any chance you've got the original 36hp for it? |
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