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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:26 pm Post subject: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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over the past couple of weeks I've noticed my steering has become loose, it used to be immediate reaction when I started to turn the wheel, now I have a good 15-20 degrees of rotation either way before I begin to feel any resistance. Is this a steering box issue or do I have worn suspension parts (ball joints etc.)
PS This all seemed to have started after taking those dirt back roads behind my neighborhood. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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You could have someone move the steering wheel back and forth gently while you crawl under car and look. Pay attention to steering coupler, tie rod ends but honestly sudden looseness is usually a coupler getting ready to fail. The other wear items progress slowly. I’ll be rebuilding front end on my 74 real soon because it’s shot. I can’t drive fast anymore which just breaks my heart. |
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anilv Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2009 Posts: 39 Location: Malaysia
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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Wear in the steering box takes years.. it is unlikely that you will see noticeable wear inside a few weeks.
Check the tie-rod ends and ball joints. Have the jacked up and eyeball all the components. Also check if the sterring box bolts are tight and the steering arm (from the box) is not loose.
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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anilv wrote: |
Wear in the steering box takes years.. it is unlikely that you will see noticeable wear inside a few weeks.
Check the tie-rod ends and ball joints. Have the jacked up and eyeball all the components. Also check if the sterring box bolts are tight and the steering arm (from the box) is not loose.
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It's the original steering box AFAIK. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
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Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
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bhartwell59 Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014 Posts: 788 Location: dallas, tx
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:00 am Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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I'd start with slightly adjusting the steering box (I think an inch of play in the wheel is the max of acceptable). You'll know if that's the issue immediately. _________________ '74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
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baldessariclan Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 1353 Location: Wichita, KS
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:28 am Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Pay attention to steering coupler, tie rod ends but honestly sudden looseness is usually a coupler getting ready to fail. The other wear items progress slowly. |
In addition to the rubber coupler itself, I’d recommend that you check the bolts that clamp the metal coupler fittings to the steering wheel and steering box shafts, respectively. They’re usually clamped / rusted together pretty solid, but I’ve ended up having one of mine break loose a bit and then have some play on occasion — e.g. after hitting really big bump while turning, and/or cranking wheel very hard while parked on high friction surface.
Note also that I think those bolts are normally special higher strength / hardness ones, and thus should get torqued to a higher level (i.e., than what you’d use for regular bolts and nuts of that size). _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle — fairly stock / driver
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5593 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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all seemed to have started after taking those dirt back roads |
To happen this suddenly, I'd say one, or both, of the 'steering shaft to flange' pinch bolts has slipped. The shafts and flanges have a notch cut-out that matches the side of the bolts to prevent complete loss of steering when they become loose. I replaced mine with some 10.9 hard bolts and tightened the hell out of them. _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 44 yrs - Plan B: '81 Rabbit Diesel LS Deluxe - Plan C: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs-
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5986 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:33 am Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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bhartwell59 wrote: |
I'd start with slightly adjusting the steering box (I think an inch of play in the wheel is the max of acceptable). You'll know if that's the issue immediately. |
I would not do this as my first step. In fact this should be the last step after eliminating any other possible causes. As others have said, wear in the steering box takes a long time, when adjusted properly. If it gets overadjusted to compensate for looseness elsewhere in the front end, it can wear very very rapidly.
sb001 start basic and work your way in. First check the play in your front wheel bearings (rock the wheel test as described in Bentley or use dial indicator) and make sure they are in spec.
Check condition of steering coupler, make sure it hasn't started to come apart.
Jack the front end up so both wheels are off the ground, get a light in the wheel well so you can see the tie rods and ball joints. Use your hands on one of the wheels to push-pull the wheel through its steering arc while looking for slop at any of the tie rod ends, ball joints etc. Generally you will hear/feel a clunk upon changing direction as the slop in the worn part(s) is taken up.
Once you are sure all that stuff is good and any worn out parts have been replaced, then check out the steering box.
Put the front wheels on the ground and then have someone slowly turn the steering wheel through its whole rotation while you are underneath with light looking at the steering box. Make sure it's tightly clamped onto the front axle and that it's not moving relative to the axle when the steering wheel is being turned.
Look at the shaft that comes out the bottom of the steering box (the one that connects to the tie rods).
Have someone slowly turn the steering wheel back and forth in the free play zone while you look at this shaft. You should not see any up/down movement of the shaft. All steering wheel movement should be translated into rotational movement of the shaft. If there is visible up/down movement of the shaft then you need to adjust the steering box.
To do that you get the front wheels off the ground, steering wheel turned 90 degrees to either side off center, loosen the lock nut (17mm) on top and then carefully turn the adjuster screw in just enough that you feel it stop as it touches the top of the shaft. Then lock it down. Do NOT crank down on that adjuster or you will kill the box quickly. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10399 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: starting to get play in my steering wheel |
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Thanks all- I'll try to take a look at it tomorrow if I get a chance. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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