No install guide for CB Perf. Super Beetle front disc brake kit!

[Junkyardjockey]

I am getting ready to install the CB Perf. front disc brake kit on our '74 Super; however they left an important part out of the box-the INSTRUCTIONS!! I already installed their rear disc brake kit; at least that one came with an installation guide. When I called CB all they told me it is a "simple & very straightforward installation'
OK that may be true, however:
1) there is no mention of needed torque values for the brackets, calipers & wheels (usually lug bolt torque is different when bolting up to discs rather than drums)
2) the brackets are not stamped L & R; so no clue if the caliper is in front or behind the axle center line.
That's about it really. Why on earth they would provide instructions for the rear kit & not the front; boggles my mind really. They won't answer my messages regarding this; CB's customer svc other than this has been great. Hopefully someone here has installed this same kit & figured it all out. If I am missing something here ,please let me know! Thank you in advance!
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[TDCTDI]

Wheel lug torque specs should not change.

Caliper is usually on the back of the axle center line.

Install caliper so that the bleeder is at the top, this is what determines caliper orientation.

If the hardware attaching the caliper to the hanger/bracket is the same as the rear, use the same torque specs provided for the rear calipers, if you no longer have those available, use factory torque specs for backing plate to spindle.
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[Junkyardjockey]

[TDCTDI]

Edited my post at the same time as you responded. Use the factory torque specs for the backing plate to the spindle.
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GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!


An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.


Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it.

[Junkyardjockey]

[Tim Donahoe]

My Empi disc conversion directions say this:

Install the caliper bracket so that it is to the rear of the spindle. Yours may be different.

Torque the caliper bracket to 25 ft. lbs.

Torque the caliper to the caliper bracket to 35 ft. lbs. (They said to use a thread locker like Loctite, but I didn’t. Five years now and nothing has fallen off.)

Tim
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[Tim Donahoe]

Also, hopefully you have two bleeders for each caliper. Bleed the upper ones only, as the lower ones are in case you wanted to install the caliper on the opposite side of the car. If you only have one bleeder per caliper, install the calipers with the bleeder in the up position.

I gravity bled first. The fronts first, of course. This took about 15 or so minutes per wheel, while I kept an eye on the reservoir and kept filling. I also used a clear tube, attacked to the bleeder, with the opposite end immersed in a partially-filled clear jar. Then, using an assistant at the brake pedal, we did the pump-and-hold final bleeds, this time starting at the rears, then the fronts.

Tim
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[Starbucket]

You can always give CB a call and they will be more than happy to clear things up for their set up.

[Junkyardjockey]

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[Tim Donahoe]

When I installed my disc brakes (as well as new shoes and drums on the rears), i didn’t waste time bench bleeding my new master cylinder. After assembling all the components, I only gravity bled at the wheels, as I stated previouslu; then, for the final bleeds, I had a helper pump a little, then press and hold the brake pedal while I opened the bleeders.

Remember, gravity bleed the fronts first, rears last. Then reverse this procedure for the final bleeds.

Check the side of your new grease can on the label. It should have a list of uses, including for “disc brakes”. If it doesn’t list disc brakes, get a can of Valvoline grease (it’s red in color—the grease, that is—that says so on the can.

Tim
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[Cusser]

Sad that no one one at CB can type up some instructions, and a 1 cent piece of paper printed out and included with each kit.

I've had good experiences with Claude's Buggies and CB in the past.
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[owdlvr]

Sorry, but I'm with CB Performance on this one. The entire front disc brake install is essentially covered in the front axle section for the Bentley repair manual, with the exception of the torque value for the caliper bracket to spindle.

A slip, or answer on the phone with the torque value for those bolts might be appropriate, but it's not hard to google "torque values for metric hardware".
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[Junkyardjockey]

[owdlvr]

[Tim Donahoe]

Junk, I can’t vouch for that Red Grease.

Why not just go to the local FLAPS and buy some Valvoline wheel bearing grease that states on the label that it’s also for disc brakes, etc.

Tim
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[Junkyardjockey]

"ask, and ye shall receive!"
http://cbperformance.net/pdf/4284is.pdf?fbclid=IwA...er92E5n5vo
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[Bruce]

[Tim Donahoe]

Looks like the CB Performance instructions forgot to give the torque specs for the caliper to caliper bracket.

Tim
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