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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

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I will never underestimate the power of humidity!


Same here. I grew up in eastern PA and sweat extremely heavily. I feel like I'm drowning when i go back to visit.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

E1 wrote:
I want to convert our Westy into a live-in aquarium...

Best.
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Week.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

dhaavers wrote:
E1 wrote:
I want to convert our Westy into a live-in aquarium...

Best.
Post.
This.
Week.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink

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(With love from the humid MidNorth...) Cool


Agreed! Finally some reason has been brought to this thread. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

E1 wrote:
I want to convert our Westy into a live-in aquarium.
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You will actually be drier than someone in the mid-atlantic states on a summer day. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

You cannot run AC from 12V practically due to thermodynamics. This has been hashed over so many times It should be a sticky FAQ titled “ Deadhorses that have beaten to death, buried, dug up, beaten again, and reburied”
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

I've always thought that it would be interesting to plumb in a 120v AC compressor salvaged from a window unit.

Plumb it into the "stock" A/C system utilizing some 12v control valves to direct the refrigerant flow to the engine compressor or the 120v compressor.

You've got shore power for the night?
You've got A/C for the night.

(Far more complex do to cooling needs of the refrigerant but.....)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

E1 wrote:
I'm not an idiot.

You might want to check with your wife on that!!! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

That's so unfair in its truthdom. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

To answer the original question- this entire thread is too much.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
I've always thought that it would be interesting to plumb in a 120v AC compressor salvaged from a window unit.

Plumb it into the "stock" A/C system utilizing some 12v control valves to direct the refrigerant flow to the engine compressor or the 120v compressor.

You've got shore power for the night?
You've got A/C for the night.

(Far more complex do to cooling needs of the refrigerant but.....)

Dave


On a similar note, get an appropriately sized electric motor, mount it in an appropriate location in the engine compartment, and do some clutched pulley magic so you can use it to drive the existing A/C compressor with the engine off.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

The algae would be out of control. Smile
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E1 wrote:
I want to convert our Westy into a live-in aquarium.

Advantages:
-- A quieter, more-serene world
-- Air conditioning not needed
-- Less arguing for not being able to hear anyway
-- More inquisitive viewers at gas stops
-- Never needs wax

I'd of course leave an air space, about at spice rack level, to replace costly air bottles with a snorkel. I'm not an idiot.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

bokonon42 wrote:
The algae would be out of control. Smile
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E1 wrote:
I want to convert our Westy into a live-in aquarium.

Advantages:
-- A quieter, more-serene world
-- Air conditioning not needed
-- Less arguing for not being able to hear anyway
-- More inquisitive viewers at gas stops
-- Never needs wax


-- Grow your own food on the windows
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

Speaking of water in the van, how much water do people carry?
Do you have hot water or do you just use it at room temp like some kinda cave man?
Heck even cave...people probably sorted how to make their water hot at some point so it seems like just natural evolution rather than a luxury.

Do you just take jugs or do you have a tank built in.

As far as my van build goes I really feel like I want to take a more modular approach everything.
I don't want to build a lot of things in permanently but rather have it so I can pick and choose what I want to take with me or possibly increase or decrease the size of things according to my trip plans.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

Native americans didn't have metal or the invention of a pot till europeans came. they heated water by moving heated rocks into their water/soup
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Speaking of water in the van, how much water do people carry?
Do you have hot water or do you just use it at room temp like some kinda cave man?
Heck even cave...people probably sorted how to make their water hot at some point so it seems like just natural evolution rather than a luxury.

Do you just take jugs or do you have a tank built in.

As far as my van build goes I really feel like I want to take a more modular approach everything.
I don't want to build a lot of things in permanently but rather have it so I can pick and choose what I want to take with me or possibly increase or decrease the size of things according to my trip plans.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

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Native americans didn't have metal or the invention of a pot till europeans came. they heated water by moving heated rocks into their water/soup
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Speaking of water in the van, how much water do people carry?
Do you have hot water or do you just use it at room temp like some kinda cave man?
Heck even cave...people probably sorted how to make their water hot at some point so it seems like just natural evolution rather than a luxury.

Do you just take jugs or do you have a tank built in.

As far as my van build goes I really feel like I want to take a more modular approach everything.
I don't want to build a lot of things in permanently but rather have it so I can pick and choose what I want to take with me or possibly increase or decrease the size of things according to my trip plans.


So did the Celts.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

danfromsyr wrote:
Native americans didn't have metal or the invention of a pot till europeans came. they heated water by moving heated rocks into their water/soup


What kind of container did they hold the water/soup in while they were swishing around heated rocks?

vwhammer - I usually put 3 to 5 gallons in my Westy water tank depending how many nights I'll be out and what my cooking/bathing plans are. Heating is done with the Westy stove, sometimes the campfire, sometimes a solar shower.

Again, all this stuff is so personal I really don't know what you're hoping to learn. You really just need to figure out your own needs.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

How much is too much? When you're trying to turn a Vanagon camper into a Wanderlodge. Wink

vwhammer wrote:
Speaking of water in the van, how much water do people carry?
Do you have hot water or do you just use it at room temp like some kinda cave man?


Westy tank: Depends on where I'm going and for how long.
Drinking: Depends on where I'm going and for how long.
Cooking: Depends on where I'm going and for how long.
Mechanism for boiling water: JetBoil for consumption, Westy stove for dish washing.

As SCM said, each person is unique, as is each van. You simply need to start roadtripping to discover your individual camping requirements. Even after discovery, you'll find your needs evolving over time, resulting in eliminating some items while adding others.

Air conditioning: Back in the '30s, my great-grandparents drove Route 66 in the summer from SoCal back to Illinois to visit family. They would put a block of ice in front of the floor vent. Here in Phoenix at Sahuaro Ranch in the 1800-early 1900s, troughs of water sat on porch railings through which ceiling-mounted fabric was rolled. Camping in 115°F summers at Lake Mead, back when summer temps reached that high, we soaked beach towels in the lake and used them as cooling blankets while sleeping on cots. Going the opposite direction: My great-great-grandmother slept with her bedroom windows open during SoCal winters, taking a couple heated-in-the-oven bricks to bed with her. There are methods if you think outside the 110V box, but plugging in is certainly luxurious... if only our ancestors knew how easy we have it today. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

Well I hate to bring this thread back up but I had another luxurious idea to make life in the wild more pleasurable.
If you thought AC in the wild was ridiculous wait until you get a load of this.

So my wife would really like a place to use the restroom and maybe clean up every now and then.
I take no shame in whore bathin' it every now and then or havin' my butt out in the woods to do my sinful business but I can't say that I am entirely opposed to the idea of having my own private bathroom while out bush.

Since my van is a tin top there's not a good way to put a bathroom/shower in the van.

Naturally I have been looking into those little pop up tent things and portable camp toilets that you can find all of the interwebs.
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While this would likely do the trick it would make showering or using the potty a miserable endeavor in all but the most perfect of weather.

How do you improve upon this?

With one of these of course.
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Obviously, I am speaking of the trailer not the van.
I don't need anything quite that nice but I think you get where I am going.

I would probably not buy one but I do have a small trailer sitting around that is hardly used for anything else.

If I could build a little pop up bathroom trailer to house essentially an entire bathroom that would solve the problem.

I picture a hard shell, hard side pop up set up that is about 4 feet tall when collapsed and 7 or 8 feet tall when deployed.

I have never towed anything with a Vanagon but I figured if I could keep the weight down between 800 and 1000 lbs that the van should be ok pulling it with my brake and engine upgrades.

If it weighs less than that when finished then even better.

I envision having the trailer and van being semi-codependent on each other.
the water for the whole van will be stored on the trailer but the trailers electrical will be run from the vans house battery.

Of course the trailer can also have an extra solar panel that will supplement the vans on board solar set up.

More or less the van can still function without the trailer for simpler camps in the overnight to 2 days range but the trailer can be added for week long camps or more.

It would be insulated, and have heat and AC just like the van.
There will be hot water and a composting toilet.
As I mentioned the water would be stored on board and a gray water tank would also be mounted on the trailer.

Last but not least I can imagine the door on the front of the trailer and a walkway that attaches to the tongue so you can pop the hatch, jump out of bed and be in the bathroom in a couple of steps.

If one really wanted to get fancy with it you could even build some kind of insulated dock so the van and trailer could more or less be joined at the rear hatch area once in camp.

The trailer might also be a nice place to mount a bigger AC system and generator to keep the whole set up running day or night.

If I can ever get my van done and out of the garage maybe I will give this trailer thing a go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

get a tiny house and an F250 to tow it. solved.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon Luxuries - How Much Is Too Much? Reply with quote

Bus Depot hatch tent.
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