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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:42 pm Post subject: Now that's GERMAN! |
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I posted about this impressive German quality once before, but I wanted to reiterate this point again. Especially after a friend of mine saw a pic of my SB undergoing 'restoration' and he commented that he was always under the impression that VW beetles were "throw away cars",...
I can source a vent window rivet like this one from Mid America Motorworks (back ordered until January), but I am unable to find anything like the rivet washers,...and rivet setting tools that I've found seem to be kinda generic. I like other member's ideas of using a BB, or ball bearing best. Pics:
Isn't that a pretty rivet? How is that some folks are using pop rivets, when VW used a fastener as pretty as this?
Bugs deserve better reproductions,...
If anyone has another rivet washer like this one, I'd like to obtain it (my other vent window has a 'dumpy looking' rivet), in case I can reinstall the washers with the new black capped rivets. Thanks,
Todd. |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Hi, if u google mushroom shaped rivets you'll find a variety of options in leatherware craft. Maybe u can find something close to original there. _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Thank you, I'll give it a try.
Rivets, I have coming. That washer,...well, I don't expect to be able to find another.
Anyone run across one while they are rebuilding their VW vent windows, please let me know! I've saved this one, and I'd like to find another.
Thanks, I'll try more Google searches,...
Todd. |
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ricaroo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2016 Posts: 662 Location: 603
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Hi,
West Coast Metric sell a complete Vent Wing Assembly, part #113-601C
Not sure what they use for a rivet... maybe you could find out the manufacturer and ask them. That’s assuming they use what your looking for.
Rick _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle 2 dr Sedan 1600dp |
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Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Now that's MEXICAN!
I posted about this impressive Mexican quality once before, but I wanted to reiterate this point again: this is the genuine VW of Mexico rivet 1BM 837 648 in black color for the late Sedan window vent hinge (1996-2004).
Somewhere in my parts stock there is a bag with dozens of new VW washers... _________________ Parts VW
"From Volkswagen of Mexico factory..."
Genuine VW Sedan parts
Genuine VW Ultima Edition parts
Genuine VW Type 2 watercooled parts |
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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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As I stated previously, I have these coming:
https://www.mamotorworks.com/VW/product/domed-head-black-hollow-rivet-for-vent-wing-353378
They are PERFECT!
To reproduce what VW did in 1972, however, would require another rivet WASHER like the one I've pictured above,...I've never seen anything other than a flat, thin rivet washer.
If you have a rivet washer like the one above, please let me know.
Thanks for the advice though, guys. |
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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Antonio, I'd be interested in seeing a pic of one of those rivet washers that you mention,...are they mushroom shaped like the black capped rivets you picture? If so, I'd sure like to get one from you,...
Not even sure if I can use them with modern rivets, but I'm game!
How do I shop your store? And do you only ship out of Mexico? |
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Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2480 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Antonio Trejo wrote: |
Wetminkey, I am going to looking for those VW washers and I will post pics here. |
Antonio, I'd be interested in a few sets of these as well . _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
1971 Super Beetle (past)
1974 SunBug (past)
1972 914 (past)
1991 Honda Civic (Original Owner)
1996 'Open Air' Mexican Beetle (current)
2015 Golf (current)
2017 Dune Edition (daughter's car) |
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green1303 Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 748 Location: Alexandria, VA
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Antonio Trejo VW Parts Dealer
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 937 Location: Mexico City
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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Yo, green1303, et all! The item that I'm after is the washer pictured here:
1972 VW vent window rivet washer.
Anybody seen one of these?
Antonio was looking through his stock,...any luck?
Thanks, all! Todd. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12722 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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Does anybody have a picture of the best tool for this job? I've done the BB trick, but how did VW do it??
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9966 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Does anybody have a picture of the best tool for this job? I've done the BB trick, but how did VW do it??
Robbie |
My curiosity is peaked as well. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12722 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
asiab3 wrote: |
Does anybody have a picture of the best tool for this job? I've done the BB trick, but how did VW do it??
Robbie |
My curiosity is peaked as well. |
I've always imagined a custom set of Vise-Grips with a flat concave end and a BB-shaped round other jaw, but maybe it was more of something like an F-style ratcheting crimper?
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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With the numbers that they produced in a day, I’m thinking a hydraulic or pneumatic press. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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green1303 Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2014 Posts: 748 Location: Alexandria, VA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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I don’t know of a source for new washers for the bottom of the hinge, but many repair shops that have parted out VWs over the years have a surplus of those vent windows gathering dust. _________________ 1973 green Super Beetle |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69823 Location: Phoenix Metro
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wetminkey Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2017 Posts: 142 Location: Ault, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Now that's GERMAN! |
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I've seen most of this in Samba searches. I have not seen that VW rivet setting tool,...I doubt that one can be found,...
I've seen a rivet setting hand tool, available online, that is intended for classic Chevy vent window rivets,...it's cheap so I might buy one and see if it looks like it will finish the black capped rivets that I have coming from MAM.
I cannot find a rivet finishing hand tool at our local Ace Hardware, just pop rivets, etc,...I've searched Home Depot also, but I don't see much in the way of hand tools to finish rivets.
I have located a 'lovely' stainless steel ball from my carburetor parts bin, and It's about the right size, at ~4.5 mm. It'll sure start the setting of the rivet, but it will not complete the final curl of the rivet's sleeve, so I will continue to look for a setting clamp, or hand tool.
Again, If anyone discovers any information about mushroom shaped rivet washers like the one pictured above, I'd sure like to hear about it! I don't expect for my rivets to arrive for at least a couple of weeks,...
Thanks! Todd. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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