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rodeking Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2017 Posts: 369 Location: near Buffalo NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:35 am Post subject: AA pin clips |
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I THINK I can see a sharp edge on one side of these wrist pin clips or am I seeing things? Please don't get into the button vs clip thing, just want to know if there is a sharp side out on these clips. Thanks. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9767 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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Yes. You can feel the sharper edge with your fingers. The smoother (rounded) side faces the wrist pin.
The sharper edge of the cir-clip bites into the wrist pin groove while facing the cylinder wall.
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rodeking Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2017 Posts: 369 Location: near Buffalo NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:20 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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Great, thanks! |
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satterley_sr Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 650 Location: Belleville,MI
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:00 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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Also count your clips! After installing my cylinder heads and coming back the next day I noticed a clip on my bench. Dang I thought I missed one. After disassembling all four cylinders, all clips were in place. They had sent an extra one and I did not notice. _________________ DDC racing |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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satterley_sr wrote: |
Also count your clips! After installing my cylinder heads and coming back the next day I noticed a clip on my bench. Dang I thought I missed one. After disassembling all four cylinders, all clips were in place. They had sent an extra one and I did not notice. |
That's a classic: when visiting the workshop of someone who just closed the longblock, drop a clip on the floor. It only works if you know which clips were used, though...and let them in on the joke, don't let the poor sucker re-open the case, that's just shitty.
But those few moments of panic: priceless... |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26787 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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The importance of getting the clip the right way is not the only important thing. If you get it wrong it will probably still work. It is also important to orient the gap the right way, usually toward crank for high revs, or toward piston top for tractors. The ends of the piston pin should be square, and the end play of the pin between the clips should be .003-.016, or something near that anyway. Not too tight, not terribly loose.
IF the clip gets beat out, it is usually because the connecting rod is slightly bent thus side loading the pin, or the pin is getting side loaded for other reasons. EMPI clips are slightly wider than AA's clips and will probably fit. |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:04 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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modok wrote: |
The importance of getting the clip the right way is not the only important thing. If you get it wrong it will probably still work. It is also important to orient the gap the right way, usually toward crank for high revs, or toward piston top for tractors. The ends of the piston pin should be square, and the end play of the pin between the clips should be .003-.016, or something near that anyway. Not too tight, not terribly loose.
IF the clip gets beat out, it is usually because the connecting rod is slightly bent thus side loading the pin, or the pin is getting side loaded for other reasons. EMPI clips are slightly wider than AA's clips and will probably fit. |
Stupid question here, but why difference regarding rpm? I thought it was more about rod ratio, which determines where the highest Gs are, tdc or bdc. Just curious. |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26787 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:16 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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One guy taught me to put the gap up, and.....I don't think he's wrong, but if you ask the high performance guys they will tell you to put the gap down, and....maybe it doesn't really matter, but I betcha nobody will tell you to put the gap sideways. |
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:20 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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modok wrote: |
One guy taught me to put the gap up, and.....I don't think he's wrong, but if you ask the high performance guys they will tell you to put the gap down, and....maybe it doesn't really matter, but I betcha nobody will tell you to put the gap sideways. |
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1248 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:01 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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The UK equivalent to GEX...
8 clips? - Check.
All fitted? - Check.
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 2867 Location: Little Britain
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Zed999 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2018 Posts: 1248 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
The Engine Shop? |
Elite VW or is it VW Elite. |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9467 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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You have to make sure the clips are in the groove.
So I do not forget, I prep the pistons with one circlip already in the other side once they are in the cylinders. So when I push the pins thru the rod end I only have to witness one clip going in. Clip goes in the groove and I turn it a little to make sure. Then I push with my finger on the clip. Eyeball both of the clips before I push the cylinders down.
A lot of people still install the pistons first by themselves and then slide the cylinders on them after. It is way simpler to install the pistons already in the cylinders. Apply the sealer on the bottom and slide down. Easy. |
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rodeking Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2017 Posts: 369 Location: near Buffalo NY
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:49 am Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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Yes, that's how I do it also. So much easier then trying to put the cyl over the piston on the engine. After installing the clip I also turn it a little with the clip pliers either side of 6:00 and then push around the clip circumference with a small punch, then inspect it with a magnifying glass. then seat the cylinder. I put the ultra black on the cyl base before I install the piston on the rod. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76936 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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satterley_sr wrote: |
Also count your clips! After installing my cylinder heads and coming back the next day I noticed a clip on my bench. Dang I thought I missed one. After disassembling all four cylinders, all clips were in place. They had sent an extra one and I did not notice. |
So you got the one i was missing. Wound up using a set of Berg clips that i had for emergency. _________________ Glenn
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kangaboy Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 1063 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: AA pin clips |
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Glenn wrote: |
So you got the one i was missing. Wound up using a set of Berg clips that i had for emergency. |
Ha, big surprise _________________ -74 Standard - "CaliBug" 2084T, MS3X w/FI and Crank Fire
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