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bruce pattison Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Lakewood, CA.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject: saggy rear end |
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I have a 1969 beetle, It seems to have developed a saggy rear end on the driver’s side, about 1" . The shocks are almost new, the tire pressures are equal. Could it be a torsion bar? Do they wear out? Because it is tough to adjust, It was suggested to put on adjustable shocks, would that help? By adjusting the shock, would that raise the ride height? |
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Eskamobob1 Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2016 Posts: 541 Location: South OC SoCal
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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torsion bars can wear out and even break without a doubt. If you have no leaks from your shocks and your trailing arms are not bent, that is kind of the only option left _________________ '74 - front disks/lots more work to do |
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Dark Earth Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2015 Posts: 1054
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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bruce pattison wrote: |
I have a 1969 beetle, It seems to have developed a saggy rear end on the driver’s side, about 1" . The shocks are almost new, the tire pressures are equal. Could it be a torsion bar? Do they wear out? Because it is tough to adjust, It was suggested to put on adjustable shocks, would that help? By adjusting the shock, would that raise the ride height? |
The torsion bars will sag over time and need to be adjusted. The shock absorber stops the tendency of the torsion bar (it's basically a spring) from bouncing the car. Here's how I "re-indexed" my torsion bars ...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=84
Ignore the part about notching the spring plate and removing the rear trailing arm. Notching the spring plate is an off-road mod for more travel and I only removed the trailing arm to change out the pivot bushing and modify the lower shock mount.
The stock setting is about 21-22 degrees ( With the spring plate off the stop ).
http://vw.zenseeker.net/Wheels-TorsionBars.htm _________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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Two ways to raise a sagging VW rear end: Adjust torsion bars or install air-adjustable shock absorbers in the rear, like Gabriel Hi-Jackers.
I have adjusted torsion bars on a VW just once; on my own 1971 VWI have used the second option for 2 decades.
I can't remember if it was on my 1970 VW that I adjusted the rear torsion bars or a different VW, but that would've been over 4 decades ago. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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The cure is to readjust the torsion bar(s). Take some time and is not all that easy. I have performed the operation on my 68 and wish now I would have gone two more clicks on the splines. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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gt1953 wrote: |
The cure is to readjust the torsion bar(s). Take some time and is not all that easy. I have performed the operation on my 68 and wish now I would have gone two more clicks on the splines. |
Why I chose to do air-adjustable shock absorbers on mine, the adjustment is not so easy.....
Saggy rear end is not good !!!
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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beetlenut Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 2983 Location: RI
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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It also might not be the torsion bars, but instead the inner and outer spring plate bushings which are made out of rubber and wear down and deteriorate over time. They support the torsion bar on the outboard side.
https://www.mtmfg.com/part/view/bushings-for-sprin...-246-L%2FR _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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Wetstuff wrote: |
... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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dirtkeeper Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2008 Posts: 3200 Location: Left of everywhere
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:35 am Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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It is probably not a broken torsion bar . If it was it would probably be sagging more.
A possibility could be as simple as loose bolts on the trailing arm to hub connection. This used to happen to me until I put an extra bolt in. |
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drs1023 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2011 Posts: 1682 Location: Georgia, USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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Beetlenut's comment above is pretty logical as well. It's fairly uncommon for torsion bars weaken only on one side. The bushings aren't any easier to change than adjusting the splines, but an uneven adjustment from one side to the other (even 1 click) is problematic, too.
I last adjusted a '63 swing axle about 5 years ago. It was a time-consuming job. |
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beetlenut Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 2983 Location: RI
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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If those are the original spring plate bushings, they most likely will come out flat on the bottom. When I replaced my original ones on my 74, it definitely made the rear sit a little higher. As long as he marks the position of the spring plate on the torsion housing once he unloads the preload. they go back together pretty straight forwardly. I'll be going back in in the Spring to reindex my torsion bars, which I'm not really looking forward to, but once it's done I'll be happy. _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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Wetstuff wrote: |
... I spend more time shaking it than directing it?! I get a pretty decent blast for 8sec. then have to shake it again. |
- Words to live by right there!
My 74 Super rebuild thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6507104#6507104 |
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andrewvwclassic Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2012 Posts: 920 Location: los angeles
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:45 am Post subject: Re: saggy rear end |
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Angle locator, VW Bentley service manual, Trial and error, some things that come to mind. |
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