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Silverghost500 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:22 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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Wow! That setup looks great! Can you mount the Vanagon OEM air conditioning compressor and power steering pump on this, or does it require more modern components/configurations? _________________ 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon Westfalia "Von Westy"
Honda K24A converversion-Road Testing Phase
3-Speed Automatic
Von Westy YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbhyZYxJEQrUuLnMbLleeIA |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:02 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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I really like that new front engine mount set up. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:11 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I really like that new front engine mount set up. |
Me too I'm in love! When I got into the PDK stuff I realized that Porsche was attaching the engine that way!
It makes for a great triangulation and extremely stable engine. Sitting on hydraulic filled engine mounts! This thing drives smoother than ever! _________________ conversions: www.boxeer.com Common rail TDI and NOW PDK transmissions!!
travel pictures:
http://instagram.com/crepeattack/
- the Pastis build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=434656&highlight=subaru+diesel |
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ProspectiveOwnergon Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2020 Posts: 211 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:35 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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What do people do with all that engine bay clearance? |
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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:45 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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ProspectiveOwnergon wrote: |
What do people do with all that engine bay clearance? |
Access for oil change super easy and plenty of room. Be able to access something if needed. Have clear and clean picture of wiring . Be able to put massive air filter of wanted. Endless possibilities but great ones _________________ conversions: www.boxeer.com Common rail TDI and NOW PDK transmissions!!
travel pictures:
http://instagram.com/crepeattack/
- the Pastis build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=434656&highlight=subaru+diesel |
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ProspectiveOwnergon Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2020 Posts: 211 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:02 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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syncrogreg wrote: |
ProspectiveOwnergon wrote: |
What do people do with all that engine bay clearance? |
Access for oil change super easy and plenty of room. Be able to access something if needed. Have clear and clean picture of wiring . Be able to put massive air filter of wanted. Endless possibilities but great ones |
Figured that, but wasn't sure!
With the airbox delete I akash's saw that area as a huge compartment for something. Easiest access is always epic! |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:29 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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Not sure if this has been posted, and if this isn't the correct manual please advise, but here's the VW
" Self Study Program 820433 The EA288 Diesel Engine Family Design and Function " PDF:
http://pics3.tdiclub.com/data/517/820433_EA288.pdf
It sure sheds light on just how much work is required to adapt this engine to an older vehicle like the Vanagon.
I found the balance shafts interesting; I was curious how VW reduced or eliminated engine vibrations.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
VE7TBN |
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D Clymer Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2005 Posts: 2978 Location: Issaquah, WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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Vanagon Nut wrote: |
Not sure if this has been posted, and if this isn't the correct manual please advise, but here's the VW
" Self Study Program 820433 The EA288 Diesel Engine Family Design and Function " PDF:
http://pics3.tdiclub.com/data/517/820433_EA288.pdf
It sure sheds light on just how much work is required to adapt this engine to an older vehicle like the Vanagon.
I found the balance shafts interesting; I was curious how VW reduced or eliminated engine vibrations.
Neil. |
My dad has a 2015 MK7 TDI Golf with this engine, and it is phenomenal. The refinement, power delivery, and fuel economy are in a different league than earlier generation TDIs. The prospect of being able to have this same engine in a Vanagon running the factory ecu is intriguing. Very interested in seeing one of these conversions take shape. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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D Clymer wrote: |
My dad has a 2015 MK7 TDI Golf with this engine, and it is phenomenal. The refinement, power delivery, and fuel economy are in a different league than earlier generation TDIs. The prospect of being able to have this same engine in a Vanagon running the factory ecu is intriguing. Very interested in seeing one of these conversions take shape. |
My engine design knowledge is quite limited but its a pretty fascinating engine; VW packed quite a lot into a small package. The "modular" design might be a boon in terms of adaptation for the conversion or adaptation to different markets as emissions standards may demand? Anyhow, pretty cool to see something so "modern" in a Vanagon.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
VE7TBN |
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human compass Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2013 Posts: 423 Location: Flagstaff,AZ
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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I have a syncro with a 6 speed suby transmission, final drive is 4:86. It's currently got a suby 2.5. I have found this lacking in torque for any moderate steep offroading. Since I wont be changing back to a syncro trans as it's an overlander, not a rock crawler, I'm looking for something with gobs of low end. This conversion seems to have roughly the same torque as an SVX. Can it be tuned to have higher torque safely?
thanks! _________________ 84 Westy Syncro- 3.3L SVX stage 2 tune,subaru gears 6speed with tbd, front locker, porche brakes x4, aux tank, radflo susp |
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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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human compass Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2013 Posts: 423 Location: Flagstaff,AZ
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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syncrogreg wrote: |
This new ea288 with stock OEM ECU has lots of torque. You can let go of the pedal at idle and it will crawl with strength. We have a 10% over stock tune if you want that's fun. |
very cool. and you think this would be the case with my 5000 lb syncro with tall tires and no granny? _________________ 84 Westy Syncro- 3.3L SVX stage 2 tune,subaru gears 6speed with tbd, front locker, porche brakes x4, aux tank, radflo susp |
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syncrogreg Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2009 Posts: 742 Location: USA (Nashville TN)
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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human compass wrote: |
syncrogreg wrote: |
This new ea288 with stock OEM ECU has lots of torque. You can let go of the pedal at idle and it will crawl with strength. We have a 10% over stock tune if you want that's fun. |
very cool. and you think this would be the case with my 5000 lb syncro with tall tires and no granny? |
I have a 6000lbs Syncro westy and 4.86 rp it does pretty good in 1st. Def better than any gasoline _________________ conversions: www.boxeer.com Common rail TDI and NOW PDK transmissions!!
travel pictures:
http://instagram.com/crepeattack/
- the Pastis build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=434656&highlight=subaru+diesel |
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human compass Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2013 Posts: 423 Location: Flagstaff,AZ
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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syncrogreg wrote: |
human compass wrote: |
syncrogreg wrote: |
This new ea288 with stock OEM ECU has lots of torque. You can let go of the pedal at idle and it will crawl with strength. We have a 10% over stock tune if you want that's fun. |
very cool. and you think this would be the case with my 5000 lb syncro with tall tires and no granny? |
I have a 6000lbs Syncro westy and 4.86 rp it does pretty good in 1st. Def better than any gasoline |
super interested. been doing any upgraded injectors and turbos? the potential on these engines seems endless. _________________ 84 Westy Syncro- 3.3L SVX stage 2 tune,subaru gears 6speed with tbd, front locker, porche brakes x4, aux tank, radflo susp |
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mjshira Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2014 Posts: 1 Location: Hermosa Beach
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Boxeer engine 2.0 TDI CR review?? |
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ianNJ wrote: |
New (rebuilt) trans by Matt Steedle being sent to Nashville for the last portions of the Boxeer 2.0 TDI CR conversion!!!
091/1 2wd build:
Has new aluminum case, bell housing, and gear carrier.
New Peloquin diff ATB
New GT brand 3rd and 4th gears.
New 4.57 ring and pinion, all new bearings, syncros, seals.
New slider and hub assemblies, chromoly pinion nut, new input shaft and HD clutch shaft.
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Silverghost500 Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2018 Posts: 1087 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:48 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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Is the new 2.0 TDI Boxeer kit only for manual transmission Vanagons, or can it be installed to an automatic transmission? If it can be used with an automatic, was a new flex plate included, or did you have to source your own? _________________ 1986 Volkswagen Vanagon Westfalia "Von Westy"
Honda K24A converversion-Road Testing Phase
3-Speed Automatic
Von Westy YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbhyZYxJEQrUuLnMbLleeIA |
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jimehat Samba Member
Joined: February 01, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: Sandy, UT USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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I too am interested in the Boxeer upgrade. I have a few concerns that don't seem to have been resolved:
1. starting in cold temperatures - it's cold and snowy in Utah 6 months out of the year
2. Ongoing support - it sounds like the only support available is from whoever installs the engine. This is very concerning considering someone is spending 15-20K and on their own once receiving the kit. And the Boxeer kit having a proprietary ECU flash.
3. Is there any consideration of installing an OBDII port so that when support is needed a local mechanic can investigate and understand the programming in the ECU
Hoping someone can shine some light on these concerns as their is very little information online regardingthis upgrade. |
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0cean Samba Member
Joined: February 29, 2012 Posts: 1149 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:04 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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jimehat wrote: |
I too am interested in the Boxeer upgrade. I have a few concerns that don't seem to have been resolved:
1. starting in cold temperatures - it's cold and snowy in Utah 6 months out of the year
2. Ongoing support - it sounds like the only support available is from whoever installs the engine. This is very concerning considering someone is spending 15-20K and on their own once receiving the kit. And the Boxeer kit having a proprietary ECU flash.
3. Is there any consideration of installing an OBDII port so that when support is needed a local mechanic can investigate and understand the programming in the ECU
Hoping someone can shine some light on these concerns as their is very little information online regardingthis upgrade. |
I can say support is not an issue. I've had my conversion for years now and Greg is still helping me out if I have any questions or need anything. I wouldn't worry about him being a " well its sold, not my problem anymore type" Greg's not that kind of guy. _________________ I'm not a mechanic, I just play one on the internet
Cluster Rebuild:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569920&highlight=
Left for Dead the Resurrection Story Build:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=613669
(Number of Different Donor VW Vans Body Parts Used: 12)
(Number of completely different vehicles parts used: 3) |
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human compass Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2013 Posts: 423 Location: Flagstaff,AZ
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:56 am Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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I dont think his integrity is in question, but we are worried about what happens if there is a programing issue?? send the ecu back? will he be able to equip installation centers with diagnostic and reprogramming ability (ideal). a bit of infrastructure would certainly make this even more amazing than it already is. _________________ 84 Westy Syncro- 3.3L SVX stage 2 tune,subaru gears 6speed with tbd, front locker, porche brakes x4, aux tank, radflo susp |
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VikingWagen Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2009 Posts: 44 Location: Indianola, WA
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Boxeer.com 2.0 TDI CR engine review thread |
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I am seriously considering a Boxeer conversion for my syncro westy after looking at all of the alternatives over the past 15 years. Still running the original 2.1L WBX with nearly 200k miles and it runs perfect and burns no oil. That said, I would rather upgrade preemptively as opposed to breaking down on the back roads and look forward to a wee bit more power to get up the hills. I plan on having the transaxle and front diff rebuilt with upgrades as they have about 75k miles on them. The cooling system has been redone with new radiator, hoses, SS junction, SS pipes.
What other things do you recommend to be done during the swap? Fuel tank seals, sender, hoses? I occasionally smell gas fumes near the rear, so I suspect bad tank grommets. New Porsche 930 CV’s? Change transaxle gearing and go for bigger tire/wheel combo? I’m running 15” Rheins with 205-65r15 Nokian WRC3 tires now, but would consider going to bigger 205-75r15 for a bit more clearance. That size really was a bad match with the WBX’r and OEM gearing, but doable for TDI/custom gear setup. What about plumbing the intake to the snorkle? Not a fan of K&N sucking dust in the engine bay. Snorkle and sand trap work well for me. What am I missing? |
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