6 volt from 6 volt ALTERNATOR

[mr matt]

Greetings,

Friend showed me a link to Jay Leno talking with someone about his 55 vw bug, mostly original so talk obviously went to the six volt system.

With this Jay mentioned someone he knows who removes the innards of 6 volt DC generator, and replaces them with a 6 volt alternator which provides much better electrics; keeping the original generator casing.

I searched around to learn more about this but could not find anything except for converting 6 to 12 volts.

Does anyone know more about this? Just curious as it does seem to have benefits without the possible need to replace windshield wiper motor, etc like with changing to 12 volt system. Seemed like the 6 volt alternator would provide better juice.

Thanks
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Ovally]

Is this what you mean? It's called a "Gener-Nator"
Here is a link https://www.gener-nator.com/
As far as I know the VW generators are too small to install the parts to turn them into alternators but you can still ask by email.

Regards.
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VW Bug 1200 D motor
Porsche 911S MFI 1970
Mazda 929 Hardtop 1977
Mercedes SLC 180 Roadster 2018

[andk5591]

I have seen stuff about that in Street Rodder and such. Never in the context of a VW. I can't see anyone investing in the time and work for such a limited market.
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Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them...

[mr matt]

Ovally,

What you linked is what I believe was mentioned,

"All Gener-Nator's can provide generally 2-3 times more power than the original generator."


Not that I will be getting one, but would be a help to my current generator if i did, and so am curious
I will make some inquires; costs, etc
Thanks!
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[andk5591]

Interesting service they have. Didnt see Porsche or VW for ones that have done. Good luck.
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D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them...

[mr matt]

Just put in an inquiry, so will see.
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Eric&Barb]

[mr matt]

Hi Eric and Barb,

Not that I am getting this, just inerested in the info/cost they provide.
on my 54/55, every spring I go through all the grounds etc. and clean them up. but for as my passenger semaphore the volt there is not what it should be even with all associated terminals clean, and soldered. There is just too much resistance in the old wire. I was thinking of pulling a new wire through which should do it.
GPS runs only on higher rpms, when lower gps transfers to GPS battery, so would be nice to have that always run from the gen, not its internal battery instead of back and forth every change in rpm.
So just curious.
"High" beams, low idle during the turn, and then semaphores opperational mostly does not happen

Thanks Eric
Matt
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Eric&Barb]

[mr matt]

Fuse box yes, opening the headlight switch box to solder in there, no.
As for the grounding wire to the semaphore, not sure, its been quite a while but grounding points yes
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Eric&Barb]

[Eric&Barb]

Here is a good read that covers on how to test for bad grounds, which was a good thing for us to learn recently. Plus a lot more good to know info there.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=711807
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[mr matt]

Thanks so much for the info!!!, - sorry for the late reply, caught a bad virus. Will be looking forward to soldering the connections you mentioned.... was not aware of that, so appreciate your input on this, and your help.
Matt
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Eric&Barb]

[mr matt]

OK, good point about the iron wattage.
Thanks
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[mr matt]

Just to complete the post, here is the response I received a while ago re: replacing gen innards from https://www.gener-nator.com/
price is crazy to me, but again, I was just curious about what is provided


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Matthew

Sorry, I don't convert those 90 MM Generators to a Gener-Nator because they are a bit too small for my components.

However, I do Upgrades for them which is when I change the internal components of the Generator for more amps and convert the V-reg. to all Electronic.

The cost for this upgrade is $595.00 exchange plus shipping with a 2-year warranty.

Right now about 5 weeks turn around time and payment is due at time of shipping to you.

If you Generator & V-reg. are date coded for your bug and you want to keep them that way you will need to send me them and if not then I can get a set ready and you can send me yours after.

I am sending a photo of your type with this email for reference.

Thank you and please let me know, or if you have any other questions.

Don Allen
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Don Allen / Gener-Nator
85340 Hwy.101
Florence, Oregon, 97439 USA
541-902-2255
www.gener-nator.com

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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[andk5591]

Not surprised at the cost at all. All hand work, small volume and lots of research. I even question if they are making much money at all on these.
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D-Dubya Manx clone - 63 Short pan,1914.
Rosie 65 bug - My mostly stock daily driver.
Woodie 69 VW woodie (Hot VWs 7/12).
"John's car" 64 VW woodie - The first ever
Maxine 61 Cal-look bug - Cindy's daily driver.
Max - 73 standard Beetle hearse project - For sale
66 bug project - Real patina & Suby conversion
There's more, but not keeping them...

[EVfun]

So when he is done is the upgraded generator 12 volt, or still 6v? I think there would be a market for a combination of new field coils and a new solid state voltage regulator that would convert a small generator to 12 volts.
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[mr matt]

Expect it still to be 6 volts, and yes, the solid state VR is attractive. I put in an inquiry
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[mr matt]

His response

Matt,

Yes, it would still be 6-volt, just heavy duty and electronically controlled.

Thanks,

Don Allen
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1955 3-fold semaphore Oval beetle
1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior