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SGKent 
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 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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good move. I made many trips across the USA in my 1971 bus with no engine issues. Lost a headlight switch in AL in the middle of the night but everything else was always a joy.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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My van does not have the mount for the oil bath and I will need to weld the metal plate back on. Does any one know any welders in bend?.... |
depending how it was removed you could bolt a donor on in place. when I remove them I drill the spot welds so you can bolt a new one on
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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I offer 75k of "I come to you and fix it for free if it was my fault" warranty on my engines. Problem is, my mom is my only client willing to pay the price. 
It's also worth discussion "hard" or "soft" failures. Hard failures are acute failures that stop you dead and requires immediate attention, like a hole blown in a piston, rod poking out through the case, or a valve going through the headliner. Soft failures are things that allow you to drive on, like an aging engine slowly losing compression or oil pressure due to wear. Soft failures allow you to pick when and where the repairs/rebuilds are done.
I'm curious if other industry folks handle those scenarios differently regarding warranties.
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| …Now that you going stock you might want to figure out the best carburetor and distributor set up. OEM German will be best. I gave you links to a resource earlier. Do Gary a favor. Don’t post up his build formula. People might chime in and Unfairly criticize it. In turn you will be second guessing the whole build process. Good luck. |
We WILL need to know if the heads are single or dual port to recommend anything. 
That's tempting for me
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SGKent
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| Why wouldn’t you use the dual carbs you have? |
a single carb has less power but the engine will last a lot longer on a T1 engine. It is also an all weather carb whereas dual carbs often don't do well with large temperature swings. A set of dual carbs in a -5 temperature is very hard to get the engine to fire without either being too lean or flooding it. Typically a single carb is a lot quieter too.
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airschooled
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| Why wouldn’t you use the dual carbs you have? |
a single carb has less power but the engine will last a lot longer on a T1 engine. |
Will it though? I would like to poke the metaphorical bear, and say that a 1600 with a 34pict3 and the same engine with dual Webers will last around the same amount IF the driver regulates the power output. I think the high-output T1's fall short when the drivers extract the surplus power frequently.
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jacobcallaghan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| SGKent wrote: |
| richparker wrote: |
| Why wouldn’t you use the dual carbs you have? |
a single carb has less power but the engine will last a lot longer on a T1 engine. It is also an all weather carb whereas dual carbs often don't do well with large temperature swings. A set of dual carbs in a -5 temperature is very hard to get the engine to fire without either being too lean or flooding it. Typically a single carb is a lot quieter too. |
Nail on the head. I spend a lot of time in cold environments. My dual carbs do not perform well. I don’t care about power. I really know just want a solid engine that will run good in many different environments and altitudes. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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Here is an update!
Towed the bus to bend Oregon today. Dropped the van off to Gary at Young’s old volks home. He has been I business building air cooled for 45 years. His shop was Awsome. And he was equally as Awsome as a human. Excited to get building.
He is splitting the case tomorrow to see what has gone bad. He is going to have me drop by and take a look for myself. Hope the case is still good
We are going to go for a berry stock 1600 build with a single carb and oil bath intake. Should be going as close to stock as possible.
My van does not have the mount for the oil bath and I will need to weld the metal plate back on. Does any one know any welders in bend?
I will keep you guys updated on how it’s going. |
Hey Jacob,
Great to talk to you the other day and glad you found something that will work for you.
If you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Roy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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to start. "Every Honda Genuine Remanufactured Part is backed nationwide for 3 years or 36,000 miles."
You made a statement that if he bought an engine from you it would last 75,000+ miles. Then you offered him 12,000 miles 1 year on a piece of paper. Either offer something tangible in writing or don't say your engines last 75,000 + miles. I was in business long enough to know that statements like you made get you into trouble. Say instead, I have sold some of these engines that have lasted 75,000 miles. Don't get into a pissing match over this. |
Wow....just trying to answer some questions on here, if you want to pick apart my statements, you go right ahead.
Also, at least quote other VOLKSWAGEN AIRCOOLED ENGINE MANUFACTURERS warranties. A honda parts warranty has nothing to do with our discussion.
Oh, and my warranty is one year, unlimited miles BTW.
Have a great one Kent!!! |
Then just say, we offer a 12 month unlimited mileage warranty on the long block, and drop it at that or give the potential buyers a page with some testimonials on it by bus owners who have owned your engines for 75,000 miles. That said, in this day and age were it me I would pencil out a longer term prorated warranty. |
Hey Kent,
Not sure where the hate for me is coming from BUT I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I don't believe that only my engine will should go 75,000+ miles; I believe ANY properly built and tuned engine should go that far. Of course, there are a couple requirement like a new case, counterweighted crank, CR 8.5 or less, timing at 27 degrees total advance, proper valve adjustments and oil changes and proper fuel mixture. I build 1776's and 2110's every other week to be installed in buses. As for customer testimonials, check out the cover of VolksAmerica Issue #9 for my most recent and public endorsement of my engines. Jim Share drove one of my 1776 project streetwise engines over 100,000 miles across the country and back in his bus. Then, without ever disassembling the longblock, transferred it to his baja bug and is still driving it. This shows not only what my engines can do BUT how well my Made in the USA heads perform and my exclusive hydraulic lifters hold up.
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jacobcallaghan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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Here is an update!
Towed the bus to bend Oregon today. Dropped the van off to Gary at Young’s old volks home. He has been I business building air cooled for 45 years. His shop was Awsome. And he was equally as Awsome as a human. Excited to get building.
He is splitting the case tomorrow to see what has gone bad. He is going to have me drop by and take a look for myself. Hope the case is still good
We are going to go for a berry stock 1600 build with a single carb and oil bath intake. Should be going as close to stock as possible.
My van does not have the mount for the oil bath and I will need to weld the metal plate back on. Does any one know any welders in bend?
I will keep you guys updated on how it’s going. |
Hey Jacob,
Great to talk to you the other day and glad you found something that will work for you.
If you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Roy |
Thanks Roy! It was a pleasure talking to you and your team. It really seems like you do great work. Thanks for everything!
Thanks everyone on the forum. You guys rock! |
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aeromech
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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Couple of things.
You’ll need to probably locate someone who’s cutting up a bus to get the air cleaner stand. I’ve done this a couple of times. It will need to be welded in place probably.
Next, don’t let your engine builder put a Chinese copy of the single Solex and a 009 distributor on there. Get good German stuff. If you need help just ask
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jacobcallaghan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| aeromech wrote: |
Couple of things.
You’ll need to probably locate someone who’s cutting up a bus to get the air cleaner stand. I’ve done this a couple of times. It will need to be welded in place probably.
Next, don’t let your engine builder put a Chinese copy of the single Solex and a 009 distributor on there. Get good German stuff. If you need help just ask |
Thank you! My engine builder gave me a oil bath plate which is awesome! We are doing a rebuilt 009 and a rebuilt German solex. No Chinese. He has a lot of parts laying around his shop. Stoked on this guy! |
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| aeromech wrote: |
Couple of things.
You’ll need to probably locate someone who’s cutting up a bus to get the air cleaner stand. I’ve done this a couple of times. It will need to be welded in place probably.
Next, don’t let your engine builder put a Chinese copy of the single Solex and a 009 distributor on there. Get good German stuff. If you need help just ask |
Thank you! My engine builder gave me a oil bath plate which is awesome! We are doing a rebuilt 009 and a rebuilt German solex. No Chinese. He has a lot of parts laying around his shop. Stoked on this guy! |
try to find a good single vacuum advance distributor instead of the 009. If it is a 34 pict 3 carb with dual port then a DVDA will work too. That said, an 009 will work but not quite be as smooth.
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aeromech
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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No offense to your guy or you this is just something to think about.
A rebuilt German Solex might only mean that the gaskets are new and a $20 kit was used. The throttle shaft bushings might be all worn out and leaking. That's why we mostly recommend a carb that's from Volkzbitz. You should research them.
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These days, most of us don't recommend the 009 even if it's an original Bosch when matched to the 34pict-3 carb. Will it work, yes. Is it the best choice, no. You'd be better off with either the original DVDA or SVDA distributor.
I am assuming that your new engine will be a dual port
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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Maybe your builder will be nice enough that we can show you any aftermarket parts, or missing parts?
If you have the time to dress down your new motor with 100% of the OG German tin, it will last longer.
VERY few of these motors still have all of the cooling tin in place.
Maybe 1 in 100 has a properly working thermostat.
So few are seen that many leave the stuff off.
If you want your stuff to last, go source it all out while the motor is still apart(!)
Here's some of the unobtanium being made new now --->
http://awesomepowdercoat.com/
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Clatter
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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To the OP,
Please note that you will get dinged for every piece of chiny China bling-bling.
Not just from us here,
But by that cruel hand of fate/time..
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Clatter
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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Aftermarket pulleys throw belts and wear out and waller cases and run crooked.
Aftermarket fan shrouds leak air and don't cool evenly and lose vanes inside (if they even have them).
Aftermarket oil fillers leak oil, don't vent correctly.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
VERY few of the parts made today are of comparable quality to the stuff made in Germany long ago,
Not just in dimensional accuracy, but especially in metallurgy and design.
Only little tin tidbits like in the link i sent are going to be close enough to work well.
VERY glad to see you putting on an oil bath cleaner.
Keep going wih that theme...
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jacobcallaghan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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| Clatter wrote: |
Maybe your builder will be nice enough that we can show you any aftermarket parts, or missing parts?
If you have the time to dress down your new motor with 100% of the OG German tin, it will last longer.
VERY few of these motors still have all of the cooling tin in place.
Maybe 1 in 100 has a properly working thermostat.
So few are seen that many leave the stuff off.
If you want your stuff to last, go source it all out while the motor is still apart(!)
Here's some of the unobtanium being made new now --->
http://awesomepowdercoat.com/ |
Thanks! I actually just bought a new thermostat and flaps from Awsome powder coat. |
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aeromech
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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I’d like to see a picture of your engine and also the new oil bath you’re getting. I’ll be gentle, I promise
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine :( |
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So after the OP gets his engine back with the 009/"rebuilt" 34PICT combo, is everyone ready to reply to the "why do I have the huge flat spot and/or crappy gas mileage" question?
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