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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2019 Posts: 29 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject: Compression Test |
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Hi everybody, I just finished to do a compression test in my 1700 VW engine and three cylinders show 100 plus and one showed 0....maybe the valves are open in that cylinder and loose compression ? or what else could be ? Thanks Daniel |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Danielitodiaz wrote: |
what else could be ? Thanks Daniel |
Bad rings or a hold in the cylinder.
Check the valves. And make sure the carb throttle plate is open when you crank it. _________________ Glenn
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FreeBug Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2012 Posts: 4278 Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Plug compressed air* into the plug hole for the dead cylinder, and go listen at the intake, the exhaust, and the breather, then you'll have more info.
On those engines, check the valve heights, seats have a bad habit of sinking or popping out.
My bet is an exhaust valve has a piece missing like someone stole a slice of pie.
* you can make this by breaking the ceramic out of a spark plug, a length of tube, cuz it's a type 4, a compressed air coupling and some welding or brazing. If that's not possible, try finding a length of tubing and blow. |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2019 Posts: 29 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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need to pull down engine to fix it? |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2019 Posts: 29 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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just finished to replace the push rod tubes (used the spring loaded ones) maybe did something wrong when I put it back together?? didn't change rod position |
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Danielitodiaz wrote: |
just finished to replace the push rod tubes (used the spring loaded ones) maybe did something wrong when I put it back together?? didn't change rod position |
But you re-set the proper valve clearances when you did that, right? |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2019 Posts: 29 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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sometime back a mechanic rebuilt the engine, after some driving, the car start to sound funny(like something was not running properly, was missing something) The car is a replica Porsche 356 and the original owner exchanged the engine for a high performance (Two Dellorto carburetors) one. I took it to another mechanic and he told me that the first mechanic , when rebuilt the engine, didn't adjusted the carburetors and raw unburnt gasoline washed the cylinder wall.... I didn't believed, but now I have my doubts |
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Danielitodiaz wrote: |
just finished to replace the push rod tubes (used the spring loaded ones) maybe did something wrong when I put it back together?? didn't change rod position |
Hold it...what? Are we both talking about a 1700 type 4? I guess not, because those don't have expandable push rod tubes. Or do they now? |
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Danielitodiaz wrote: |
sometime back a mechanic rebuilt the engine, after some driving, the car start to sound funny(like something was not running properly, was missing something) The car is a replica Porsche 356 and the original owner exchanged the engine for a high performance (Two Dellorto carburetors) one. I took it to another mechanic and he told me that the first mechanic , when rebuilt the engine, didn't adjusted the carburetors and raw unburnt gasoline washed the cylinder wall.... I didn't believed, but now I have my doubts |
Ha ha, we're crossing messages. You can put some oil into the dead cylinder, and see if your compression reading changes, but even bad rings generally show SOME compression, not zero. |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Looks like the #1 intake pushrod tube is missing a seal and already leaking oil.
_________________ Glenn
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jason Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2002 Posts: 3444 Location: Garage
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: COMPRESSION TEST |
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Do those seals even go there? Thought they had o rings inside. |
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Axitech Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2011 Posts: 1265 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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Yes, those seals go there. Three per tube, no o-rings. My moneys says you need to retorque your heads. Mine came loose and lost all compression on 3+4. _________________ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9481 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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Those end seals do not go there in the middle. The O-rings are inside the tubing. Should be a washer on end of those springs pushing on the outer tube.
The concave seals only go on each end. Not middle. |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2019 Posts: 29 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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Found the problem !!! valves in cylinder 2 were open!!! was loosing compression thru valves....adjusted valves, rechecked compression and all cylinders read 120 or plus....put it back and replaced valve covers....both of them leaked....used some gasket maker and stop leaking. Now I'm rebuilding the Dellorto 36 dual carburetors and encounter another problem... when I try to remove the fuel pump jets(the two screws on the body side) the top part come off but the jets still inside the carburetor...a can't get them out(little springs come out) supposed to be like that or is a way to how to remove the jets to clean it out??Anybody? Thanks, Daniel |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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nsracing wrote: |
Those end seals do not go there in the middle. The O-rings are inside the tubing. Should be a washer on end of those springs pushing on the outer tube.
The concave seals only go on each end. Not middle. |
No , no in this type of tubes....found a message in this board about this kind of tubes "don't buy them"!!! but was to late....they are really cheap...and they will leak....the seal in the middle broke before I started the engine |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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The acel jet holders. Can be difficult to remove.
I use the biggest screw driver in my tool box. Mine have a hex area near the handle. So I can get an assist with a wrench on the screw driver. When those jet holders come loose. You can hear an audible snap.
If you have a heat gun. try that on the carb body. A little! Not allot.
Good Luck.
I misread the post. Try to gently push the jets out of the body from the aux vernturi side. Be careful not to damage the Aux vents. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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Danielitodiaz Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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they are marked as "idle jets" |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Compression Test |
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That is a Weber diagram. Not Dellorto. They are defiantly not the same carbs.
Dellorto carbs have the accel pump jets in that location. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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