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oprn
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 Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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That is why so few of them are left, most handled and braked so poorly they ended up wrapped around a power pole. Especially after the owners jacked them up to put big pumpkins under the back!  |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| oprn wrote: |
| That is why so few of them are left, most handled and braked so poorly they ended up wrapped around a power pole. Especially after the owners jacked them up to put big pumpkins under the back! |
There's plenty of them left, they're just squirreled away in their own environmentally controlled showrooms awaiting their turn on the Barrett-Jackson circuit because they are worth more than most people's homes. 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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After watching the auctions there seems to be way more 57 Belaires than were ever manufactured.
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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Yeah.. its amazing whats still lurking in cellars ..
My neighbor had a 70 Superbird (green, 440 six pack, automatic, bench seat) he bought new... he would crank it up every month and do burnouts out the door. ..No nose no wing so looked like just any other redneck car.
I can still remember it coming out of the cellar garage door WTFO as his big game was how fast he could go from the back of the cellar and navigate through the doors..
Funny thing is..they used to simply call it "The Road Runner" just so nobody knew what they really had.. ..
It wasnt until I was walking around in the cellar with his sons when I tripped over a tarp which unveiled the nose and wing.. that it all came to light..
The cellar wall collapsed on it one rainy summer damaging the entire drivers side..
We tried to buy it several times.. Always NFS..
They sold it for a song at the beginning of the crazy number Mopar craze.,.
Its rumored to be stuffed back in another cellar.. somewhere.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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My neighbor had a 70 Superbird (green, 440 six pack, automatic, bench seat)...
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..No nose no wing so looked like just any other redneck car.
Funny thing is..they used to simply call it "The Road Runner"
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No nose, no wing then it was a Road Runner with a 440 Six Barrel.
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Manfred58sc
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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I have a 73 New Yorker 4 door with a 440 (weighs like 5500 lbs), and its fast! Mopar or Nocar. They are also just bad-ass in every other way, 500hp, bench seat,column shift, Am-8track. Good times for those of us that got to live it.
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
My neighbor had a 70 Superbird (green, 440 six pack, automatic, bench seat)...
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..No nose no wing so looked like just any other redneck car.
Funny thing is..they used to simply call it "The Road Runner"
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No nose, no wing then it was a Road Runner with a 440 Six Barrel. |
Yes but no..
I realize that a Superbird is nothing more than aero package and streamlined Roadrunner,, but.. in this case.. the nose and wing were removed..placed under a tarp in the cellar so was a true Superbird. not a clone ... didn't ya even read my story??
It did not have ANY grille either.. it was the real deal... correct fender tag too.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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I've got a '56international s-112 pickup, long bed..
rock solid body in the works..
The way the rest mods are selling, I'm looking at following suit with a hybrid build.. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| Manfred58sc wrote: |
| I have a 73 New Yorker 4 door with a 440 (weighs like 5500 lbs), and its fast! Mopar or Nocar. They are also just bad-ass in every other way, 500hp, bench seat,column shift, Am-8track. Good times for those of us that got to live it. |
My folks had a 68 Dodge Polara with a (comparatively) wimpy 383/2-barrel. That also was scary fast. I took it on a trip in High School towing a small tent trailer with 8" wheels. We had that thing over 100 mph in Nevada. (No speed limits back then.) Very stupid thing to do but my oh my it was fun!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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73 impala 303 or somthing like that , not fast but it sure was fun driving two livingroom sofas down the turnpike.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| OB Bus wrote: |
| Manfred58sc wrote: |
| I have a 73 New Yorker 4 door with a 440 (weighs like 5500 lbs), and its fast! Mopar or Nocar. They are also just bad-ass in every other way, 500hp, bench seat,column shift, Am-8track. Good times for those of us that got to live it. |
My folks had a 68 Dodge Polara with a (comparatively) wimpy 383/2-barrel. That also was scary fast. I took it on a trip in High School towing a small tent trailer with 8" wheels. We had that thing over 100 mph in Nevada. (No speed limits back then.) Very stupid thing to do but my oh my it was fun! |
We had a '65 Polara station wagon with a 383... but some nut had put on a 3x2 carb setup (must have been an accessory manifold) and so it FLEW on the highway, getting under 10mpg when it did so. We called it H.M.S. Dodge because it was like a floating barge to drive. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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My parents had a 1972 Buick Centurion convertible with a 455 that my step-mother's father bought new for $5,000. She told a story of him out running the cops to the state line on one of their trips to Florida.
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| My parents had a 1972 Buick Centurion convertible with a 455 that my step-mother's father bought new for $5,000. She told a story of him out running the cops to the state line on one of their trips to Florida. |
1970 was last good year for factory horsepower with 455 unless it was stage 1 why? Because CR went from 10.1 to 8.5 to 1 horsepower and torque suffered greatly. Cars were de-tuned to meet emissions. Mid 70s was a sad time for Detroit iron. I owned a 73 Catalina with 350, poor thing was rated at 145 hp, yes it was a POS, they all were. Also had access to 71 and 73 Ford LTD 400CI. Again piss poor running. 75 Plymouth Valiant 225 slant six, slow but Indestructible. 76 Pontiac Ventura with 260v8, always felt lacking. The only bright spot I remember was a 71 Dodge Charger RT 440 magnum but it was also de- tuned from what earlier versions put out. Older brother driving 140 mph 2 lane blacktop with bias ply tires, I’m still scared. On top of all that we had to suffer through years of 55mph speed limit so I’m glad performance is back. As Tony Soprano used to say “What are you gonna Do?” |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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Sorry it's a little blurry, and it is 12 years out of date(!), but this chart shows how far we have come. Keep in mind this is while meeting increasingly stringent emission standards. Up to the early '80s, it was a downward spiral. Then we got cats and closed loop FI!
I drove my parent's '73 Buick Apollo (a Nova derivative but with a Buick 350 V , with the EGR bypassed but with the lowered compression. It still blew off Corvettes at stoplights until the late '80s; those poor Corvette engines were choked with ignition limiters, EGR, air pumps, low compression, lazy final drive ratios... it was really sad!
VW opened the gates in '69 with the Type 3's open loop EFI, then came lambda sensors and cats and away we went! |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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I kind of disagree with that chart. look at any modern crossover/suv/truck today and we are no better off in terms of MPG's of (most) cars in the 50's-70's.
they did however get cleaner...
look at any car from the 80's to the early/mid 90's...cars got fantastic mileage. even carbureted vacuum hose messes from japan did very well. now that turbocharging is more mainstream it is amazing that we can get 200+ reliable hp out of a 1.8l 4 cylinder.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
My neighbor had a 70 Superbird (green, 440 six pack, automatic, bench seat)...
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..No nose no wing so looked like just any other redneck car.
Funny thing is..they used to simply call it "The Road Runner"
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No nose, no wing then it was a Road Runner with a 440 Six Barrel. |
Superbirds & Daytonas where cool for stock car racers,
but driving a car with a sloping nose that sticks out more than the trunk did,
has got to be a major pain in the ass!
A green, 440 six pack, automatic, bucket seats Challenger or 'Cuda seams like a better idea.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:19 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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I personally like a classic 60's muscle car that has all this new technology bolted to it. A modern frame/suspension. One of these new monster crate engines and matching transmissions.
I will always have an affinity for the Steve McQueen 67 Fastback mustang. Bolt on modern, new suspension, (4) wheel disc brakes, 1000 hp crate engine with matching transmission, etc.. That's what would make my heart go pitter patter.
I'm sure it's been done already and it's the muscle car I'd want in my garage.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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To me scary fast is anything with poor handling and it is not really related to horse power. I have a 944 that feels rock solid at 120 mph and 140 hp. I also have a Subaru Forester with 246 hp that I have yet to take over 90 mph. Not because it is not capable but because the suspension is so bad that it scares the crap out of me. My Manx clone is scary fast at 75 mph with a stock 60 hp 1600 DP.
I guessing that is what you guys remember about the old muscle cars, the bad handling more than the power. My cousin spent 6 months in the hospital after loosing control in his 383 powered Fury III at 110 mph and cutting off two 50' high spruce trees 8' off the ground. That would have never happened in a modern muscle car! |
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| That would have never happened in a modern muscle car! |
Sir Isaac Newton's First Law.. states otherwise.
Do stupid stuff in a car.. and there are generally consequences..
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Golden Age of Muscle Cars.. |
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| That would have never happened in a modern muscle car! |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wral.com/news/local/story/9687375/%3fversion=amp
Nope, high speed & inexperienced drivers prove this theory wrong every time.
And even experienced drivers wanting to go out in a blaze of glory.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/09/12/2-men-die-in-hellcat-crash-at-colorado-airport/
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