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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:00 am    Post subject: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

What would be the best gasket sealer when joining the two type 4 engine halfs?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

Everyone probably has their preference.

Yamabond was recommended to me and this is what I used for my engine build without issue.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

Yes, Yamabond
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

Loctite 574 for proper crush.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I agree with the Loctite 574. I am a master Ferrari tech (25 years) and that is all I use on metal to metal sealing. Ferrari has a lot of non gasket surfaces, engine and trans axles. They use 3 bond at the factory but 574 is superior. I used it on my VW trans axle and it is drip free. I will use it on my Bus 2.0 case (in a Buggy) when I rebuild it next winter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

Always used Permatex 83H aviation gasket sealer for many years. Then I switched to Curil K2. That is what I use now, and will use if I ever build another engine from the bottom up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I use kuril. You have options. It’s probably more important here to know what not to use!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

just throwing 2 cents in since I could not find the lengthy sealer thread.

In the past I used Curil K2 and it leaked a little after awhile. I used Loctite 574 and it leaked a little. This time I used Threebond 1184. It seems like a really solid sealer. That said, while it is highly recommended, it is good to 302F then it starts to slowly lose strength. That is about the max one should ever let the oil get to on its worst day or the fried foods you are cooking will taste funny Laughing Laughing Laughing Curil is good to 482F or thereabouts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
Yes, Yamabond


There are several different Yamabonds, so it would be helpful to know which one people are referring to. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I didn’t know that but I’d guess that there are probably 20 different sealers available to do this job.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I’ve been using this little bottle called Indian Head from Permatex for years. Since the mid 90s with no problems. Also use a little of this compound on cylinder to case and valve cover gaskets. Tough stuff
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I’m looking that up

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Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

aeromech wrote:
I’m looking that up

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Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT


Is that the same thing as Permatex 83H?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I have no idea
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I've used loctite 518 for a couple decades on cases, and flanges
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

cdennisg wrote:
aeromech wrote:
I’m looking that up

Here

Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT


Is that the same thing as Permatex 83H?

Permatex Super 300
https://itwgbpermatex.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/tds/80057.pdf

80058 (83D) 16 oz
80057 (83H) 4 oz

TYPICAL APPLICATIONS
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• Diesel engine heads
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• Gear boxes
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Permatex Aviation Form-A-Gasket No.3 Sealant.
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80017 (3D) 16 oz bottle
80019 (3H) 4 oz bottle
89918 is 2 oz bottle

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• Solid gasket dressing
• Close fitting machined surfaces
• Threaded connections
• Aviation engines
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

I have been using Permatex Aviation FormaGasket since 1979. Have not had leaks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

In answer to cdennisg who asked specifically about Indian Head Gasket Shellac compound. It is good -65F to 350F. It is considered a light gasket sealer.

Suggested uses: Hose connections, paper and cardboard gaskets.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

ive used indian head gasket for cardboard or paper gaskets with no issues. but i prefer either loctite ,or permatec form a gasket, for high temp applications ,other gasket materials ,or for metal to metal situations.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs Reply with quote

Gascacinch. The stuff with the Pixie on the can. Yellow in color. No icky disgusting mess requiring acetone or MEK to remove.
I also use it at cylinder base shims.
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