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kingkitesurf Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:00 am Post subject: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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What would be the best gasket sealer when joining the two type 4 engine halfs? |
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Jack_O_Trades Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2014 Posts: 188 Location: Bay Area CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:20 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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Everyone probably has their preference.
Yamabond was recommended to me and this is what I used for my engine build without issue.
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:06 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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Yes, Yamabond _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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Loctite 574 for proper crush. |
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3gengines Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I agree with the Loctite 574. I am a master Ferrari tech (25 years) and that is all I use on metal to metal sealing. Ferrari has a lot of non gasket surfaces, engine and trans axles. They use 3 bond at the factory but 574 is superior. I used it on my VW trans axle and it is drip free. I will use it on my Bus 2.0 case (in a Buggy) when I rebuild it next winter. |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20271 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:32 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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Always used Permatex 83H aviation gasket sealer for many years. Then I switched to Curil K2. That is what I use now, and will use if I ever build another engine from the bottom up.
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tommu Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I use kuril. You have options. It’s probably more important here to know what not to use! _________________ |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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just throwing 2 cents in since I could not find the lengthy sealer thread.
In the past I used Curil K2 and it leaked a little after awhile. I used Loctite 574 and it leaked a little. This time I used Threebond 1184. It seems like a really solid sealer. That said, while it is highly recommended, it is good to 302F then it starts to slowly lose strength. That is about the max one should ever let the oil get to on its worst day or the fried foods you are cooking will taste funny Curil is good to 482F or thereabouts. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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aeromech wrote: |
Yes, Yamabond |
There are several different Yamabonds, so it would be helpful to know which one people are referring to. |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I didn’t know that but I’d guess that there are probably 20 different sealers available to do this job. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
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VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
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Pottsalot Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I’ve been using this little bottle called Indian Head from Permatex for years. Since the mid 90s with no problems. Also use a little of this compound on cylinder to case and valve cover gaskets. Tough stuff |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I’m looking that up
Here
Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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aeromech wrote: |
I’m looking that up
Here
Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT |
Is that the same thing as Permatex 83H? _________________ nothing |
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I have no idea _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
Licensed Pilot (Single engine Land)
Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
VW Type 2 1971 (3 ea.) 1978, 1969
VW Jetta
VW Passat
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W1K1 Samba Member
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:42 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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cdennisg wrote: |
aeromech wrote: |
I’m looking that up
Here
Permatex 20539 Indian Head Gasket Shellac Compound, 2 oz. https://a.co/d/aDNs0MT |
Is that the same thing as Permatex 83H? |
Permatex Super 300
https://itwgbpermatex.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/tds/80057.pdf
80058 (83D) 16 oz
80057 (83H) 4 oz
TYPICAL APPLICATIONS
• Compressors
• Diesel engine heads
• Final drives
• Gear boxes
• Power units
• Pumps Transmissions
• High speed turbine Superchargers
Permatex Aviation Form-A-Gasket No.3 Sealant.
https://www.permatex.com/wp-content/uploads/tds/80017-.pdf
80017 (3D) 16 oz bottle
80019 (3H) 4 oz bottle
89918 is 2 oz bottle
TYPICAL APPLICATIONS
• Solid gasket dressing
• Close fitting machined surfaces
• Threaded connections
• Aviation engines
• Marine engines
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Amskeptic Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:16 am Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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I have been using Permatex Aviation FormaGasket since 1979. Have not had leaks.
Colin _________________ www.itinerant-air-cooled.com |
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SGKent Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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In answer to cdennisg who asked specifically about Indian Head Gasket Shellac compound. It is good -65F to 350F. It is considered a light gasket sealer.
Suggested uses: Hose connections, paper and cardboard gaskets.
https://itwgbpermatex.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/tds/20539.pdf _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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outcaststudios Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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ive used indian head gasket for cardboard or paper gaskets with no issues. but i prefer either loctite ,or permatec form a gasket, for high temp applications ,other gasket materials ,or for metal to metal situations. _________________ '88Doka JX td
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timvw7476 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: What gasket sealer when joining the engine halfs |
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Gascacinch. The stuff with the Pixie on the can. Yellow in color. No icky disgusting mess requiring acetone or MEK to remove.
I also use it at cylinder base shims. |
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